Help with 2024 W-4 Form - Confused About New Format
I just started a new position this week and I'm completely lost when it comes to filling out the W-4. I haven't had to complete one of these forms in forever, and even though they claim it's "simpler" now, I'm finding it way more confusing than before. I've searched online tutorials, watched YouTube videos, and even asked the company president where I'm working now, but I still can't figure out what goes where on this form. What exactly am I calculating with their online tool? If I leave step 4 blank, will the government still take out federal taxes automatically? Looking at the chart on page 4 with our household information, I get $11,025. Should that number go in box 4c? Would that cover tax withholding for both me and my spouse? Back in the day, I remember just putting a "1" for allowances and being done with it. So much easier! We don't need a big refund - we just want to make sure we're not stuck owing a bunch at tax time. Any help would be great. I'm probably overthinking this whole thing.
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Sasha Reese
The W-4 did get a major overhaul in 2020, so it's definitely different than what you remember! Let me try to simplify this for you. First - yes, federal taxes will absolutely be withheld even if you leave Step 4 completely blank. The form's default (Steps 1 and 5 only) assumes you're a single filer with one job and no dependents or other adjustments. That $11,025 you calculated is likely the annual withholding amount the IRS estimates for your situation. You would NOT put this in box 4c. Box 4c is for requesting ADDITIONAL withholding beyond what would normally be taken. The new W-4 doesn't use allowances anymore (no more "just put 1"). Instead: Step 1: Personal info (required) Step 2: Multiple jobs or working spouse (complete if applicable) Step 3: Dependents (complete if applicable) Step 4: Other adjustments (optional) Step 5: Sign and date (required) Since you mentioned "both of us," if you have a working spouse, make sure to check the box in Step 2 or use the worksheet to ensure enough is withheld from both incomes combined.
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Christian Burns
•Thanks for explaining! So if I check the box in Step 2(c) for "multiple jobs" because my spouse also works, do I still need to fill out anything in Step 4? And for that $11,025 I calculated, where does that number come into play, if not in box 4c?
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Sasha Reese
•If you check the box in Step 2(c), you don't need to put anything in Step 4 unless you have other income, deductions, or want extra withholding. That box essentially tells your employer to withhold at a higher rate because of the multiple jobs. The $11,025 number doesn't actually go anywhere on the form itself. That's an estimate of your total tax liability based on your situation. The W-4 system is designed so that when you check the right boxes, they'll automatically withhold approximately the right amount to cover that liability throughout the year. If you're concerned about underwithholding, you could add a small additional amount in 4(c) as a buffer - maybe $25-50 per paycheck.
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Muhammad Hobbs
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Noland Curtis
•Does this work even if you have income from self-employment on the side? That's what usually messes up my withholding calculations since I have a regular job but also do freelance work.
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Diez Ellis
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Muhammad Hobbs
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Noland Curtis
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Vanessa Figueroa
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Abby Marshall
•How does that even work? The IRS phone lines are impossible. Are they somehow jumping the queue or something?
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Diez Ellis
•This sounds like BS honestly. Nobody can get through to the IRS these days. My tax guy told me they're answering like 5% of calls. I've tried calling about my amended return for MONTHS.
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Diez Ellis
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Sadie Benitez
One thing to consider with the new W-4 is that if you and your spouse both work and make similar incomes, just checking the box in Step 2(c) is usually sufficient. But if there's a big difference in your incomes, you might want to use the online IRS Tax Withholding Estimator or the worksheet that comes with the W-4 for more accurate results. At least that's what worked for us - my spouse makes about twice what I do, and when we just checked the box, we ended up owing quite a bit. Using the more detailed worksheet got us much closer to breaking even.
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Drew Hathaway
•What if one person gets bonuses that vary year to year? That's what always throws off our withholding calculations.
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Sadie Benitez
•For variable bonuses, I recommend using the IRS Withholding Estimator tool and updating your W-4 after any significant bonus payment. Most companies withhold bonuses at a flat 22%, which might not be enough depending on your tax bracket. Another approach is to estimate your total bonus amount for the year (maybe based on last year plus a little extra) and add additional withholding in Step 4(c) to cover the difference. Then if you get more than expected, you can submit a new W-4 to adjust. It's a bit of work, but it's better than getting hit with a big tax bill and possibly underpayment penalties.
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Laila Prince
I worked in payroll for 10 years and the new W-4 confuses EVERYONE. Here's the simplest way to think about it: - Filing status and Steps 1 & 5 are the only REQUIRED parts - If you check the box in Step 2c, it basically tells payroll to withhold at a higher single rate - Step 3 REDUCES your withholding (for dependents) - Step 4a and 4b affect withholding based on other income or deductions - Step 4c is for requesting additional withholding each paycheck If you're married and both work, either check box 2c (simple but sometimes withholds too much) OR use the IRS calculator for a more precise amount to put in 4c. If you just want to be safe and not owe, check the box in 2c and maybe add a small amount in 4c ($20-50 per paycheck) as a buffer.
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Isabel Vega
•This is the clearest explanation I've seen! One question - if my spouse doesn't work currently but might start later this year, should I still check that box in Step 2c now? Or wait until they actually get a job?
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