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Maya Lewis

How to complete 1065 Schedule K Line 20 Code "AG" for Gross receipts for section 448(c)?

Hey all, I'm working on a partnership tax return (1065) for our LLC and I'm stuck on something that appears to be new this year. On Schedule K (page 4 of Form 1065), we're being asked to provide "Gross receipts for section 448(c)" with code AG on one of the blank lines in section 20. I don't remember seeing this request in previous tax years. I've got a few questions about this: 1) Does "gross receipts" mean our total income before we subtract returns, expenses, and other costs? 2) Should I include royalties and interest income in this figure, or is it basically the same as what goes on line 1a ("Gross receipts or sales")? 3) What exactly is "section 448c" referring to? I tried looking it up but got confused with all the tax jargon. Any help would be seriously appreciated! Our filing deadline is coming up soon and I'm trying to make sure everything's accurate.

Isaac Wright

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The "Gross receipts for section 448(c)" with code AG is indeed relatively new on the 1065. This relates to tax reform changes that affect how certain partnerships can use accounting methods. For your first question, yes, this should be your total gross receipts before any deductions, returns, or expenses. It's the raw income amount. For question 2, you should include ALL receipts including royalties and interest income. This is different from line 1a because it's more comprehensive. Line 1a typically only includes ordinary business income, while this AG code wants your total receipts from all sources. Regarding section 448(c), this is referencing the tax code section that establishes a gross receipts test (currently $27 million for 2023) that determines whether certain taxpayers can use the cash method of accounting and receive other accounting method simplifications. The IRS uses this information to determine if your partnership qualifies for these simplified methods.

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Lucy Taylor

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Thanks for the helpful info. Could you clarify if we need to include capital gains in this total for code AG? We had some equipment sales this year that generated gains. Also, is this calculation done yearly or is it some kind of 3-year average?

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Isaac Wright

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Yes, capital gains from equipment sales should be included in your gross receipts total for code AG. The section 448(c) test looks at your "gross receipts" which encompasses all income received from all sources, including capital gains from equipment or asset sales. The test is actually based on a 3-year average. Section 448(c) specifies that you look at the average annual gross receipts for the 3-taxable-year period ending with the taxable year that comes before the current tax year. So for your 2023 return, you'd be looking at the average of your gross receipts for 2020, 2021, and 2022. If that average is $27 million or less, you meet the gross receipts test.

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Vanessa Chang

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Just to add some additional clarity on section 448(c) since I deal with this frequently: The gross receipts test is particularly important because exceeding the threshold ($27M for 2023) means your partnership might be subject to different accounting method rules. If you stay under the threshold, you can use the cash method regardless of whether you have inventory, avoid UNICAP rules, and use simplified inventory methods. For partnerships specifically, make sure you're considering aggregation rules if you have related entities. Common control or family attribution can require you to combine receipts from multiple businesses.

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Madison King

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Thanks for mentioning the related entities issue! Quick question - do we need to include foreign source income in the calculation for section 448(c)? Our partnership has some international operations.

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Vanessa Chang

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Yes, foreign source income absolutely counts toward your gross receipts for the section 448(c) test. The test doesn't distinguish between domestic and foreign income sources - it's looking at the total gross receipts from all activities worldwide. This is actually a common oversight. Many partnerships forget to include their foreign income when calculating their average annual gross receipts, which can lead to incorrect conclusions about whether they meet the threshold for simplified accounting methods.

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Julian Paolo

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Wait, I'm still confused about Form 1065 Schedule K line 20 code AG. Is this something every partnership needs to fill out? We're a really small operation, just two partners with around $450k in annual revenue. Do we even need to worry about this section 448(c) stuff?

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Isaac Wright

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With only $450k in annual revenue, you're well under the threshold (currently $27 million), but you should still complete the AG line. The IRS wants this information from all partnerships filing Form 1065. Think of it this way - the IRS doesn't know your revenue level until you tell them, so they need everyone to report this figure so they can determine who qualifies for the accounting method simplifications under section 448(c). It's actually beneficial for small partnerships like yours to clearly document that you're under the threshold.

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Isla Fischer

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Great thread everyone! I just want to emphasize something important that might get overlooked - when calculating your gross receipts for code AG, make sure you're using the correct 3-year period. For your 2023 return, you need the average of 2020, 2021, and 2022 gross receipts, NOT including 2023. I made this mistake initially and included the current year in my calculation. The section 448(c) test specifically looks at the "3-taxable-year period ending with the taxable year that precedes such taxable year." So you're always looking backward, never including the current filing year. Also, keep good records of this calculation because you'll need to update it each year. The threshold can change annually (it was $26M for 2022, now $27M for 2023), and your 3-year average will shift as you drop the oldest year and add a new one to the calculation.

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Nia Harris

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This is exactly the kind of detail that trips people up! Thanks for clarifying the 3-year lookback period. I was about to include our current year 2023 numbers in the calculation. One follow-up question - if we're a newer partnership that didn't exist for all three years of the lookback period, how do we handle the calculation? We only started operations in 2022, so we don't have 2020 or 2021 data. Do we just use whatever years we have, or is there a different rule for new entities?

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