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Jade Santiago

How do per diem rates work for ME&I when traveling for my small business?

So I started my consulting business about 8 months ago and I'm trying to figure out all the tax stuff myself. I'm traveling a lot more than I expected (about 2-3 trips per month) and someone mentioned I could use per diem rates for meals and incidentals instead of keeping all my receipts. I'm super confused about how this works for ME&I expenses. Do I just use the GSA rates for wherever I'm going? And do I need to keep any receipts if I'm using per diem? Also, can I still deduct the full amount even though I'm the only employee in my business (LLC taxed as sole proprietorship)? I've been keeping every single food receipt which is getting ridiculous. Last month I spent like $2,100 on various business trips and meals while traveling. Would really appreciate any insights on how to simplify this while staying compliant!

Caleb Stone

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The per diem system can definitely simplify your expense tracking! As a sole proprietor, you can use the GSA (General Services Administration) per diem rates for meals and incidental expenses (M&IE) when you travel for business. Here's how it works: Instead of tracking every meal receipt, you can deduct the standard M&IE rate for the location you're visiting. For example, if you travel to Chicago where the M&IE rate is $74 per day, you can deduct that flat amount for each business day spent there without saving meal receipts. The best part is you don't need to keep meal receipts when using per diem rates - that's the whole point of this system! However, you still need to document your business travel (dates, locations, business purpose) and keep receipts for lodging expenses, as per diem for lodging works differently. As a sole proprietor/single-member LLC, you can definitely use per diem rates, but there's one important distinction: you can only deduct 50% of the meal portion of the per diem, as that's the standard business meal deduction limit.

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Daniel Price

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Thanks for the explanation, but I'm a bit confused about the 50% rule. If the Chicago rate is $74, does that mean I can only deduct $37? And do I need to do anything special on my Schedule C to show I'm using per diem instead of actual expenses?

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Caleb Stone

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Yes, you'd only be able to deduct $37 for the Chicago example since the 50% limitation applies to both actual meal expenses and per diem rates. For your Schedule C, you'd include the 50% of the per diem amounts in your "meals" expense category. There's no special form required to indicate you're using per diem versus actual expenses, but you should maintain a log of your business travel that includes dates, locations, and business purpose to support the deduction if ever questioned.

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Olivia Evans

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Does this service actually help with calculating the right GSA rates for different cities? I travel to some pretty obscure places sometimes and finding the right rates is confusing.

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Aiden Chen

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I'm skeptical about using services like this. Couldn't you just use the free GSA website to look up per diem rates? What does this service actually do that you couldn't figure out yourself?

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Olivia Evans

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How does this actually work? Do they have some special connection to the IRS? I've spent literally hours on hold before giving up.

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Aiden Chen

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Aiden Chen

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Don't forget that the GSA updates their per diem rates every fiscal year (starting Oct 1), so make sure you're using the right rates for the right time period! I messed this up last year and had to redo a bunch of calculations. Also, if you're traveling to the same locations regularly, you might want to check if the standard rate or the high-low method would be more beneficial for your situation.

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Grace Johnson

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What's the high-low method? Is that different from the regular GSA rates? I'm trying to figure out the simplest approach since I have about 25-30 trip days per quarter.

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The high-low method is a simplified version of the standard GSA per diem rates. Instead of looking up specific rates for each city, the IRS designates certain locations as "high-cost" areas with one set rate, while all other locations use a lower rate. For 2024, the high-cost area per diem is $297 ($231 for lodging and $66 for M&IE), while the low-cost area per diem is $204 ($158 for lodging and $46 for M&IE). Remember, for meals you can only deduct 50% of these amounts. This method is perfect if you have many trip days like you mentioned - it significantly reduces the lookup time and paperwork.

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Jayden Reed

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Has anyone had experience using per diem for international travel for a small business? The State Department has foreign rates but I'm not sure if the rules are different when traveling outside the US.

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Nora Brooks

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I use per diem for my international consulting trips. You're right that you use the State Department's foreign per diem rates instead of GSA rates. The basic rules are the same - you still have the 50% limitation on meals and still need to document business purpose. One thing to watch out for: foreign rates are typically higher than domestic ones, and they're usually given in whole dollars (no cents).

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Eli Wang

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Also, foreign per diem rates change monthly, not annually like the domestic GSA rates! I learned this the hard way after using outdated rates for a trip to Japan. Make sure you check the rates that were applicable during your specific travel dates.

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Adrian Hughes

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This is such a helpful thread! I'm in a similar situation with my freelance marketing business - constantly traveling for client meetings and events. One thing I learned the hard way is that you need to be really careful about partial travel days. If you leave after noon or return before noon, you can only claim 75% of the per diem rate for that day. I was claiming full per diem for every travel day until my accountant caught this mistake during tax prep. Also, make sure you're not double-dipping - if a client reimburses you for meals, you can't also claim the per diem deduction. The documentation is key too. I keep a simple spreadsheet with columns for: date, destination, business purpose, departure/return times, and which per diem rate I used. Takes maybe 5 minutes per trip but saves hours during tax season compared to sorting through receipts!

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Romeo Barrett

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This is exactly the kind of detail I needed to hear! I've definitely been claiming full per diem for days when I flew out in the afternoon or came back in the morning. Do you know if there's a specific time cutoff, or is it just the general "before/after noon" rule? Also, your spreadsheet idea is brilliant. I've been trying to use a travel app but it's way too complicated for what I actually need. A simple spreadsheet with those exact columns sounds perfect for my consulting trips. Thanks for sharing your experience with the partial day calculations - could have saved me from a costly mistake!

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