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Sean Kelly

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Did you by chance enter those HSA contributions TWICE? Like once through the W-2 section and again in the HSA deduction section? I made this mistake last year and it caused issues. TurboTax should show the contribution in "Your Tax Breaks" if you made post-tax contributions directly to your HSA. But if they were all made pre-tax through payroll deduction, they won't show there because they've already been excluded from your taxable income on your W-2.

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Hmm, that's a good point - I need to check if I accidentally entered them twice. I know for sure I entered them during the W-2 section, but I can't remember if I also entered them again in the HSA section. I'll go back and review. Thanks for the tip!

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I had this exact same issue last year and it drove me nuts! After reading through all these helpful responses, I want to add one more verification step that helped me feel confident everything was correct. Go to your actual tax return preview in TurboTax and look at Line 13 on your Form 1040. Your adjusted gross income (AGI) should already reflect the reduction from your HSA contributions if they were made pre-tax through payroll. Compare this AGI to what your gross income would have been without the HSA contributions - the difference should match your contribution amount. Also, I learned that if you ever want to contribute MORE to your HSA beyond what your employer deducts, you can make additional contributions directly to your HSA provider up until the tax filing deadline (April 15th) and those WILL show up as a separate deduction in the tax breaks section since they're post-tax contributions. The key thing is that you're getting the tax benefit either way - it's just a matter of whether it happens upfront through payroll exclusion or as a deduction when you file your return.

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Has anyone used TurboTax to try to claim this? I feel like it used to let me enter unreimbursed job expenses but now I can't find where to do it.

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Lucas Schmidt

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TurboTax removed that section for federal returns because those deductions were suspended by the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act. But if you click on your state return in TurboTax, some states still allow these deductions. I'm in New York and was able to deduct my unreimbursed expenses on my state return last year, including part of my phone bill.

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Just wanted to add some clarity here since there's been a lot of discussion about different options. The bottom line is that for most W-2 employees, you cannot deduct personal cell phone expenses on your federal tax return for 2024 - this has been suspended since 2018 and continues through 2025. However, there are a few legitimate options worth exploring: 1. **State returns**: Some states still allow these deductions even though federal doesn't. Check your specific state's rules. 2. **Employer reimbursement**: This is really your best bet. Document your work usage percentage and approach HR with a business case. Many companies will reimburse at least partially once they understand the cost. 3. **Mixed employment status**: If you have any self-employment income (1099 work, side business, etc.), you may be able to allocate a portion of phone expenses to Schedule C. For documentation, you don't need to log every single call and text. The IRS generally accepts reasonable estimates if you can show how you calculated your work vs. personal usage percentage. Keep records of your method and any supporting documentation. The key is being realistic about your work usage percentage and having a logical way to support that number if questioned.

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Ayla Kumar

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This is really helpful - thank you for the comprehensive breakdown! I'm in a similar boat to the original poster and didn't realize some states still allow these deductions. I'm in California so I'll definitely check into that for my state return. One quick question about the documentation - when you say "reasonable estimates," do you have any suggestions for how to track work vs personal usage without it being a huge hassle? I feel like I could estimate I use my phone about 65% for work but I'm not sure how to back that up if the IRS ever asks.

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Has anyone considered the potential audit risk with this strategy? I'm interested in using the 14-day rule but worried about increased scrutiny.

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Freya Ross

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I've used this strategy for 5 years with no issues. The key is proper documentation and reasonable rental rates. This isn't some obscure loophole - it's clearly written into the tax code. As long as you follow the rules and can substantiate everything, there's minimal risk.

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This is exactly the kind of documentation challenge I faced when I first started implementing the 14-day rule! One thing that really helped me was creating a standardized checklist for each meeting type to ensure I never missed any required documentation. For board meetings, I always include: formal agenda, attendee list with titles, meeting minutes with specific business decisions, photos of the meeting setup, and copies of any documents reviewed or approved. For strategic planning sessions, I document: specific business objectives discussed, market analysis or financial data reviewed, strategic decisions made, timeline commitments, and follow-up action items with assigned owners. For training sessions, I track: learning objectives, curriculum or materials used, attendee participation records, skills assessments or certifications earned, and how the training relates to business operations. I also keep a master calendar showing all 14 days used throughout the year with brief descriptions to ensure I never accidentally exceed the limit. The IRS wants to see that these are legitimate business meetings, not just casual get-togethers, so the more specific your documentation, the better. One last tip: I always have my business write me a check specifically marked "home rental - business meeting [date]" rather than lumping it in with other payments. This creates a clear paper trail that's easy to follow during any review.

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Brian Downey

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This checklist approach is brilliant! I'm new to implementing the 14-day rule and was feeling overwhelmed by all the documentation requirements. Having specific checklists for different meeting types takes so much guesswork out of the process. One question - do you ever have meetings that might fall into multiple categories? Like a board meeting that also includes some strategic planning discussion? How do you handle the documentation for those hybrid meetings? Also, I love the idea of the master calendar. Do you track this digitally or keep a physical record? I'm trying to figure out the best system for staying organized throughout the year.

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Liam O'Reilly

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Former DOR employee here. One thing to clarify - "net income" definitions vary slightly between states. Most want Line 21 from 1120S, but some states (like CA and NY) have their own calculation that starts with Line 21 and adds back certain items. Call your specific DOR office and ask exactly which line they use for "net income" on THEIR form. Will save you tons of headache.

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Chloe Delgado

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This is super helpful! Do you know what Illinois specifically requires? Their form just says "net income" without specifying.

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Liam O'Reilly

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Illinois generally uses Line 21 as the starting point, but they typically require you to add back any Illinois-specific adjustments from Schedule M (if you had to file one). If you didn't have any Illinois adjustments, then Line 21 should be sufficient. When in doubt though, I always recommend calling the Illinois DOR payment plan department directly at their specific number (not the general helpline) which should be listed on the payment plan form. Ask for the "technical definition of net income for payment plan qualification purposes" - using that specific phrasing will usually get you transferred to someone who knows exactly what line they're looking for.

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Isaac Wright

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Just went through this exact situation last month! The confusion is totally understandable because different agencies sometimes use "net income" differently. For most state DOR payment plans, you'll want Line 21 (ordinary business income/loss) from your Form 1120S - this shows your actual business profit after all deductible expenses. However, I'd strongly recommend calling your specific state's DOR payment plan department to confirm. Some states have their own modifications to this number. When I called, they told me exactly which line to use and even emailed me a worksheet showing the calculation. It's worth the phone call to avoid having your payment plan delayed or rejected for using the wrong figure. Also, make sure you have your most recent filed return - sounds like that would be your 2023 Form 1120S in your case. Good luck getting it sorted out!

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StarSailor

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This is exactly the kind of practical advice that would have saved me hours of stress! I wish I had thought to call and ask for the specific worksheet you mentioned. One question though - when you called, did you get through to someone knowledgeable right away, or did you have to navigate through multiple transfers? I'm dreading having to spend half my day on hold just to get this one question answered, but it sounds like it's definitely worth doing to get it right the first time.

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How to fill out the new W4 to get bigger paychecks and smaller refund? (No more interest-free loans to the IRS!)

I'm really confused about my tax withholding situation and could use some advice on the new W4 form! My weekly paychecks vary wildly depending on how many projects I get assigned as a photo editor. Some weeks I'm only logging 20 hours, other weeks I'm cranking out 65+ hours with tons of overtime. The problem is my tax withholding percentage jumps all over the place! It's like 19% some checks, 22% others, and shoots up to 37% when I hit heavy overtime weeks. It's driving me crazy not knowing what to expect. I just started with this company in January on a 2-year contract (switched from freelance work), so I have no idea what my annual income will actually be. Based on the first few months, I'm guessing I'll land in the 22% tax bracket, maybe the 24% bracket if this workflow keeps up. Tax brackets for single filers look like: 22% for income $47,150-$100,525 24% for income $100,525-$191,950 32% for income $191,950-$243,725 My question is: how do I fill out this new W4 so I'm not getting overtaxed on those bigger paychecks? I understand paying more when I earn more, but being taxed at 37% when I'll probably end up in the 22% or 24% bracket seems excessive. I don't need a huge refund - I'd rather have my money during the year! For context: I'm single, no dependents, this is my only income, and I'm living alone. I was previously an independent contractor but this company brought me in-house for a major client rebrand (lots of photoshoots = steady editing work). Not sure if this workflow will stay consistent though.

Yuki Tanaka

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Just a heads up - everyone is suggesting adding deductions on line 4(b), but remember these should be ACTUAL deductions you qualify for beyond the standard deduction, like mortgage interest, large charitable contributions, etc. If you're just claiming the standard deduction, technically you should be using line 4(c) instead by putting a NEGATIVE number for additional withholding. But honestly, most payroll systems don't accept negative numbers there. This is why so many people with variable income end up using line 4(b) as a workaround, even though it's not technically the correct approach according to IRS instructions. Just be aware this is a gray area.

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Carmen Diaz

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Wait what? You can put a negative number on line 4(c)? I never heard of that before! Wouldn't that be like asking for less taxes to be taken out of your paycheck? Is that even allowed?

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Malik Johnson

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You technically can't put a negative number on line 4(c) - that field is specifically for ADDITIONAL withholding (money you want taken out beyond the normal calculation). What Yuki is referring to is a conceptual approach where you'd want to reduce withholding, but since you can't put negative numbers there, people end up using the deductions workaround on 4(b) instead. The proper way to reduce withholding is actually through line 4(b) deductions OR by adjusting your filing status/dependents in the earlier steps. But for someone like Sean with variable income, the deductions approach on 4(b) is really the only practical option, even if it's not perfectly aligned with the form's intended use. The IRS knows this is a limitation of the current W4 design for people with irregular income patterns.

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Aaliyah Reed

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I've been dealing with this exact same issue! Variable income withholding is such a pain. One thing that really helped me was keeping a simple spreadsheet tracking my actual withholding percentage vs. my gross pay each week. I noticed my withholding would spike to like 35%+ on weeks where I worked 60+ hours, but drop to around 15% on my lighter weeks. What I ended up doing was calculating my expected annual income (sounds like you're thinking $85k), then figuring out what my actual tax liability should be. For $85k single with standard deduction, you're looking at roughly $14,500 in federal taxes for the year. I put about $18,000 in additional deductions on line 4(b) of my W4, which brought my withholding down to a more reasonable 20-22% range even on the big weeks. The key is monitoring it every few months and adjusting if needed. Also, don't stress too much about being "perfectly" accurate - as long as you're close and not massively underwithholding, you can always adjust throughout the year. The worst case is you owe a small amount at tax time, which beats giving the IRS an interest-free loan!

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Omar Fawaz

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@0ad6cc600f88 This breakdown is super helpful! I'm curious about your spreadsheet approach - are you just tracking gross pay and withholding amount, or are you also noting the specific factors that caused the fluctuations (like overtime hours, project bonuses, etc.)? I'm wondering if there are patterns beyond just "big week = high withholding" that might help predict when those spikes will happen. For photo editing work like mine, I notice the withholding gets especially crazy when I have back-to-back rush jobs that push me into serious overtime territory. Also, when you say you put $18,000 in additional deductions on 4(b), did you have to provide any documentation to your payroll department, or do they just take whatever number you put on the form at face value?

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StarStrider

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@0ad6cc600f88 This is really helpful! I'm definitely going to start tracking my withholding percentages like you suggested. One follow-up question - when you calculated that $14,500 tax liability for $85k income, did you factor in any other deductions beyond the standard deduction? I'm wondering if I should account for things like my home office expenses from my freelance days (though I guess those don't apply now that I'm W2) or if I should just stick with the standard deduction for simplicity. Also, how often do you recommend adjusting the W4? Should I wait a full quarter to see how things shake out, or is it okay to tweak it monthly if the withholding still seems off? I don't want to annoy our payroll person by constantly submitting new forms, but I also don't want to be way off target.

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