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Ethan Brown

How do per diem rates work for ME&I expenses in my business?

So I'm running a one-person show as a sole proprietor and traveling quite a bit for client meetings. I'm totally confused about how per diem rates work for Meals, Entertainment & Incidental expenses. Recently I had a 3-day trip to Minneapolis where I met with potential clients, and I'm trying to figure out if I should just keep all my receipts or if I can use the per diem rates which seems way easier. My accountant mentioned something about GSA rates and that I might be able to deduct a standard amount without keeping every tiny receipt. But then he also said something about limitations for self-employed people? I think he mentioned I can use per diem for meals but not for lodging? I'm going on another business trip next month to Atlanta and Denver (5 days total) and want to get this straight before I go. Anyone have experience with this? How do you handle meals and incidentals when traveling for your small business?

Yuki Yamamoto

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Per diem rates can definitely simplify your business travel expense tracking. Since you're self-employed with a sole proprietorship, here's what you need to know: As a self-employed individual, you can use the GSA per diem rates for meals and incidental expenses (M&IE) but NOT for lodging. This means you'll still need to keep receipts for your hotel stays, but you can use the standard rate for food and other small expenses without saving every coffee and meal receipt. The current GSA rates vary by location - Minneapolis, Atlanta, and Denver all have different daily rates. You can look them up on the GSA website by city. You'll need to reduce the rate by 25% on your first and last day of travel (these are considered partial days). When filing your taxes, you'll report these expenses on your Schedule C. Just be aware that meals are generally only 50% deductible (even when using per diem rates), though there are some temporary exceptions for 2021-2022 that allowed 100% deductibility for business meals from restaurants.

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Carmen Ortiz

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Wait, so I'm confused about the 50% limitation. Does that mean if the per diem rate for meals in Denver is $74 per day, I can only deduct $37? And what exactly counts as "incidental expenses"? Is that like tips and stuff?

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Yuki Yamamoto

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Yes, you generally can only deduct 50% of meal expenses, including when using per diem rates. So if Denver's M&IE rate is $74, you would typically only be able to deduct $37 on your taxes. Incidental expenses include fees and tips for porters, baggage carriers, hotel staff, and similar service workers. It's a small portion of the overall M&IE rate - usually about $5 of the daily rate. The GSA breaks down how much of each location's per diem is allocated to meals versus incidentals on their website.

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Amara Chukwu

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Hey! Former IRS employee here. One thing nobody's mentioned yet is that you need to have an "accountable plan" even when you're using per diem rates. This basically means you still need to: 1) Document the business purpose of each trip 2) Record the dates and locations 3) Submit/record these expenses within a reasonable time period The benefit of per diem is not having to keep meal receipts, but you absolutely need to keep records of your business travel details. I'd recommend keeping a simple travel log with dates, locations, business purpose, and who you met with. That plus your lodging receipts should cover you in case of an audit.

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Ethan Brown

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This is super helpful! So I still need to document where I went and why, just not keep every single Starbucks receipt? Do you recommend any specific apps or methods for tracking this information?

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Amara Chukwu

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Exactly - you still need to document the business purpose, locations and dates, but not every food receipt. For tracking, I've seen clients use everything from specialized apps to simple spreadsheets. The most important thing is consistency. Even something as simple as a Google Sheet that lists: Date, City, Business Purpose, Client/Prospect Name, and Notes will work. Some people use apps like Expensify or MileIQ that have travel logging features. If you're traveling regularly, it might be worth investing in a dedicated expense tracking app that can automatically pull in GSA rates.

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A heads up on Atlanta rates - I was just there last month and was surprised that certain parts of the metro area have different per diem rates. Make sure you check the specific county you're staying in. Downtown Atlanta (Fulton County) has a higher rate than some of the suburbs.

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This is true for many major cities! Denver metro area spans multiple counties too with varying rates. Always check the county, not just the city name when looking up GSA rates.

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Ethan Brown

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Didn't realize this! I'm staying at a hotel near the airport for the Atlanta portion of my trip. Will definitely check the specific county rates before I go. Thanks for the tip!

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Liam McGuire

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Great question! As someone who's been through this exact confusion, here's what I've learned about per diem for sole proprietors: Your accountant is right - you can use GSA per diem rates for meals and incidentals (M&I) but you'll still need actual receipts for lodging. The GSA website has a per diem lookup tool where you can enter your destination cities and get the exact daily rates. A few key things to remember: - First and last days of travel are prorated at 75% of the full daily rate - You'll only be able to deduct 50% of the meal portion when filing taxes (though the calculation is done after applying per diem) - Keep a simple travel log with business purpose, dates, locations, and who you met with - this is required even when using per diem For your upcoming Atlanta/Denver trip, definitely look up the county-specific rates since metro areas can have different rates by county. The per diem method will save you from keeping track of every meal receipt, but you'll still need documentation showing the business nature of your travel. One last tip: if you do any entertaining of clients during these trips, those meals have different rules and you'll want to track those separately with actual receipts.

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Ravi Malhotra

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This is really comprehensive, thank you! Just to clarify - when you mention that client entertaining has different rules, do you mean I should always keep receipts for those meals even if I'm using per diem for my regular travel meals? Also, is there a threshold for what counts as "entertaining" versus just grabbing lunch during a business meeting?

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Keisha Robinson

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Great question about entertainment expenses! Yes, you should keep actual receipts for client entertainment meals even if you're using per diem for your regular travel meals. The IRS has stricter documentation requirements for entertainment expenses. The line between a business meal and entertainment can be blurry, but generally: if you're discussing business during the meal with a client/prospect, it's typically considered a business meal. If you're taking them to dinner at an upscale restaurant, sporting event, or entertainment venue primarily to build relationships, that's more likely entertainment. For entertainment expenses, you need receipts showing the amount, date, place, business purpose, and the business relationship of the people involved. Plus entertainment meals are subject to the same 50% deduction limitation as regular business meals (though this can vary based on specific circumstances). My advice: when in doubt, keep the receipt and document the business purpose. It's better to have more documentation than you need than not enough if you get audited.

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Lena Schultz

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One thing I'd add from my experience as a sole proprietor who travels frequently - make sure you understand the difference between "high-cost" and "standard" locations when looking up GSA rates. Cities like Denver and Atlanta might have higher per diem rates than you expect, especially during peak seasons or special events. Also, I learned this the hard way: if you're combining business and personal travel (like extending a business trip for a weekend vacation), you need to be really careful about which days you can claim per diem for. You can only use per diem rates for the days that are primarily business-related. For tracking, I use a simple note-taking app on my phone where I log each day's business activities immediately. Takes 30 seconds but creates a solid paper trail. Then I just export it to a spreadsheet at tax time. Way easier than trying to reconstruct everything months later! One last tip - if you're staying at extended stay hotels or places with kitchenettes, you might want to consider tracking actual meal expenses instead of using per diem, especially if you're cooking some of your own meals. Sometimes the actual expense method works out better financially in those situations.

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Miguel Ortiz

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This is really helpful advice about high-cost locations and mixed business/personal travel! I hadn't thought about the extended stay hotel scenario either. Quick question - when you say "primarily business-related" days, is there a specific percentage threshold the IRS uses, or is it more of a judgment call? Like if I have meetings until 3 PM and then do tourist stuff the rest of the day, does that still count as a business day for per diem purposes? Also, what note-taking app do you recommend? I've been trying to remember to jot things down but often forget until the end of the day when the details are fuzzy.

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