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Kaiya Rivera

How do I prove timely payment to the IRS when they claim I paid late?

Ugh, I'm so frustrated right now. The IRS is saying I made a late tax payment, but I know I didn't! I specifically went to the Post Office on April 12th (3 days before the deadline) to make sure my payment had the right postage. The clerk weighed it and told me I needed an extra ounce stamp, which I paid for. The clerk put the stamp on my envelope and placed it directly in their outgoing mail bin right in front of me. Now I get this notice saying I'm being charged penalties and interest for a late payment! How the heck am I supposed to prove I mailed it on time? I don't have a receipt for the postage or anything - I just paid for the extra stamp and watched them put it in the outgoing mail. Has anyone dealt with this before? What kind of evidence does the IRS accept to prove timely mailing? I'm worried they won't believe me without some kind of official proof.

This is a common issue, and there's a specific way the IRS handles proof of timely mailing. The IRS follows what's called the "Timely Mailing as Timely Filing/Paying" rule (Section 7502 of the Internal Revenue Code). For future reference, when you need proof of mailing date, you should use one of these methods: registered mail, certified mail with return receipt, or an approved private delivery service (like FedEx or UPS) that provides a shipping date record. The receipt from these services becomes your proof of timely mailing. For your current situation, you could try contacting the specific post office where you dropped off the payment. Sometimes they can provide a statement confirming general collection times from that date. You can also check if your payment check has been cashed - the date it was processed might help your case. Another option is to write a letter explaining the situation, including any details you remember about that day (time of day, description of the postal clerk, receipt for the stamps if you still have it).

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Noah Irving

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So basically OP is screwed? I don't see how contacting the post office would help since they probably don't keep records of random customers buying stamps. What about security camera footage? Would the IRS accept that as proof?

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Contacting the post office might help if they're willing to provide a statement about their standard processing times, though you're right that they likely don't have records of individual stamp purchases. Security camera footage could potentially help, but it would be difficult to obtain and may not be retained for long periods. The IRS does have a process for appealing penalties called "reasonable cause" where you explain the circumstances. Many taxpayers have successfully had penalties abated by providing a detailed explanation, especially for first-time issues. The IRS Publication 17 mentions that factors beyond your control (like postal delays) can qualify as reasonable cause, though you'll need to make your case effectively.

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Vanessa Chang

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Madison King

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This sounds interesting. Does taxr.ai also help with amended returns? I filed an amendment back in February and it's still "processing" according to the IRS tracker. Wondering if this service could help me figure out what's going on.

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Julian Paolo

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Hmm, seems a bit suspicious. How exactly would a website determine the IRS made a processing error? They don't have access to IRS internal systems. Did you actually get your penalty removed or are you just hoping it works?

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Vanessa Chang

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They don't claim to have access to IRS systems - what they do is analyze the documentation you provide (notices, your filing evidence, etc.) and compare dates/procedures against IRS published guidelines. In my case, they spotted a discrepancy between the postmark date on my certified mail receipt and the "received date" the IRS was claiming, which proved there was a processing error. Regarding amended returns, yes they do help with those! They can analyze where your amendment might be in the process and help draft proper follow-up communications. Their system compares your situation against thousands of similar cases to predict likely outcomes and recommend next steps.

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Julian Paolo

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Ella Knight

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Wait, how does this work? I'm confused - can't you just call the IRS yourself? Why would you need a service to call them for you? Seems kinda weird.

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This sounds like complete BS. There's no way to "skip the line" with the IRS. They put everyone in the same queue and you just have to wait like everyone else. Seems like a scam trying to profit off desperate people.

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Ella Knight

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They don't call the IRS for you - the way it works is they use an automated system to navigate the IRS phone tree and wait on hold in your place. When they reach a live agent, you get a call to connect directly with that agent. The IRS doesn't know you used a service - you're just saving yourself from the hours of hold time. It's especially useful for complex issues like proving timely payment because those require talking to a human - the automated systems can't help with that. And waiting times these days are insane - sometimes 3+ hours if you can even get into the queue before it fills up for the day.

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I can't believe I'm saying this, but I tried Claimyr after posting my skeptical comment. I was desperate after trying to call the IRS for THREE DAYS straight about my "late payment" notice. Each time I either got a "call back later" message or was disconnected after waiting over an hour. Within 25 minutes of using Claimyr, I was talking to an actual IRS representative! I explained my situation about mailing my payment before the deadline and provided details about when and where I mailed it. The agent was able to check their records and actually found that my payment had been received but was incorrectly processed. They corrected the error and removed the penalty right there on the call! I just got the confirmation letter yesterday. I'm still shocked at how well it worked after all that frustration.

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Jade Santiago

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For future reference, ALWAYS use certified mail with return receipt when sending anything important to the IRS! I learned this lesson the hard way years ago. That green card receipt is absolute proof of when you mailed something and when they received it. It costs a few extra bucks but saves so much headache.

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Noah Irving

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Does certified mail actually work for tax payments? I thought the IRS had some weird rules about what counts as proof. Also is it expensive? Never used it before.

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Jade Santiago

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Certified mail absolutely works for tax payments and is specifically mentioned in IRS Publication 17 as acceptable proof of timely filing/payment. It costs around $4-5 total for the certified mail plus return receipt, and that green card that comes back to you with their signature is golden evidence. The IRS will accept the certified mail receipt as proof of the mailing date, even if they somehow lose or misprocess your payment after receiving it. Just make sure you keep that receipt! Take a picture of it too, just in case.

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Caleb Stone

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Wait, none of these answers are actually solving OP's current problem! For your existing situation, here's what worked for me: Call the IRS and request "penalty abatement" based on having a clean compliance history. If you haven't had penalties in the past 3 years, they have a "First Time Abatement" policy that often waives penalties regardless of whether you can prove your case or not.

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Daniel Price

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This worked for me! Had a similar situation last year and requested the first-time abatement. The IRS agent removed my penalty immediately. Didn't even have to provide any documentation or proof.

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This is exactly why I always tell people to use certified mail for anything tax-related! But for your current situation, you're not completely out of luck. Here's what I'd recommend: 1. **Request First Time Abatement** - If you haven't had penalties in the past 3 years, call the IRS and request "First Time Penalty Abatement" (FTA). This is often granted regardless of your ability to prove timely mailing. 2. **Document everything you remember** - Write down the exact date, time, post office location, description of the clerk, and any other details about your mailing. Even without a receipt, a detailed sworn statement can help. 3. **Check your bank records** - If you paid by check, the processing date might support your case that it was mailed timely. 4. **Contact the post office** - While they may not have records of your specific transaction, they might be able to provide a statement about their standard collection times from that date. The key is to be persistent and polite when dealing with the IRS. Many taxpayers successfully get penalties removed by explaining their situation clearly, especially for first-time issues. Don't give up - you have options!

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Emma Wilson

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This is really helpful advice! I'm in a similar boat with proving timely mailing. Question about the First Time Abatement - do you have to call them or can you request it in writing? I'm terrible on the phone and would much rather send a letter if that's an option. Also, when you say "check your bank records," would that include credit card statements if I paid the postage with a card? Maybe that timestamp could help establish when I was at the post office?

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You can absolutely request First Time Abatement in writing! In fact, many people prefer this approach because you have a paper trail. You can send a letter to the IRS address shown on your penalty notice, clearly stating "Request for First Time Penalty Abatement" and explaining that you have a clean compliance history for the past 3 years. And yes, credit card statements showing the postage purchase could definitely help establish a timeline! If your card statement shows a transaction at that specific post office on April 12th, that's solid evidence you were there on that date. You could also check if you have any other receipts from that day (gas, coffee, etc.) that show you were in that area around the time you claim to have mailed your payment. The more documentation you can piece together, the stronger your case becomes. Even small details like this can make a big difference when you're trying to prove your timeline to the IRS.

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I dealt with this exact same situation two years ago! The IRS claimed my payment was late even though I mailed it well before the deadline. Here's what ultimately worked for me: First, don't panic - you have several options even without a certified mail receipt. The most important thing is to act quickly and document everything you can remember about that day. **Immediate steps:** 1. **Call the IRS and request "First Time Penalty Abatement"** - If you haven't had penalties in the past 3 years, they often waive penalties regardless of proof. This is your easiest path to resolution. 2. **Gather any evidence you have** - Check your credit card or bank statements for the postage purchase, look for any other receipts from that day that place you near the post office, and write down every detail you remember (time, clerk description, etc.). 3. **Contact that specific post office** - While they won't have records of your transaction, they might provide a statement about their standard mail collection times for that date. **For your written appeal**, explain the situation clearly and mention that you specifically went early to ensure timely delivery, that you paid for proper postage, and that you watched the clerk place it in outgoing mail. The IRS does consider "reasonable cause" arguments, especially for taxpayers with good compliance history. The key is persistence - don't accept the first "no" if you get one. Many taxpayers successfully get these penalties removed by clearly explaining their situation and being polite but firm with IRS representatives.

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