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Sofia Morales

Received 105c letter for 2018 refund - IRS claiming statute of limitations expired

I just got a 105c letter from the IRS saying my claim for a refund for 2018 is disallowed because the statute of limitation has expired. I'm freaking out because I know I filed on time! Here's what happened: I completed my 2018 paper 1040 return and sent it via USPS priority mail with signature confirmation on April 16th, 2022. I dropped it off at the Post Office myself. The official deadline was April 18, 2022, so I should have been fine. When I tried tracking the package the next day, there were no updates. I called USPS and they said it might take up to a week to show movement because of the tax filing rush. I waited over 3 weeks and still nothing showed up in the tracking. I went back to the post office and talked to a worker there who suggested I send it again with the same shipping label. I did this on May 18, 2022 and had the worker officially accept the package. I included a letter explaining the situation with the first package. Since I'm in Utah, the IRS received and signed for this second package on May 20th. Now the IRS is saying I filed too late! I requested my transcript for 2018 which just arrived yesterday, and it shows the return received date as April 18, 2022 with a Code on it. I don't understand why they're saying I missed the deadline when their own transcript shows they got it on time! What should I do now?

Dmitry Popov

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It sounds like you have a strong case to appeal this decision! The 105c letter is the IRS's formal disallowance of your refund claim, but the fact that your transcript shows a received date of April 18, 2022 (which was the filing deadline) is extremely important evidence in your favor. You should file Form 12203, Request for Appeals Review, within 30 days of receiving the 105c letter. Make sure to attach copies of: - The IRS transcript showing April 18, 2022 receipt - Any USPS tracking information you have - A detailed timeline of events The discrepancy between your transcript showing on-time receipt and the disallowance letter is likely due to internal processing errors at the IRS. When a return is received by the deadline but processed later, sometimes the refund claim is incorrectly flagged as late. Since you have documentation showing the IRS acknowledges receipt on the deadline date (April 18, 2022), you have a very good chance of having this decision reversed through the appeals process.

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Sofia Morales

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Thank you for the advice! I wasn't familiar with Form 12203. Do I need to include a copy of the original 105c letter with my appeal? And how long does the appeals process typically take?

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Dmitry Popov

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Yes, definitely include a copy of the 105c letter with your appeal. The IRS needs to know exactly what you're appealing, and the letter contains important reference numbers they'll need to locate your case. The appeals process typically takes 90-120 days, but it can sometimes stretch longer depending on their current backlog. The good news is that while your case is in appeals, the collection process is generally paused. Be prepared to be patient, but also follow up if you don't hear anything after about 60 days.

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I work in tax preparation and see this issue frequently. Here's something important many people don't realize: When the IRS receives a paper return, they often mark it with two different dates - the "received" date (when it physically arrived) and the "processed" date (when they actually entered it into their system). For refund statute of limitations purposes, they sometimes incorrectly use the processed date rather than the received date. This is especially common with returns filed near the deadline because of the backlog. Since your transcript shows April 18, 2022 as the received date, you have solid proof. When filing your appeal, specifically cite IRC Section 6511(a) which states that the claim must be filed within 3 years of the date the return was filed. Since your return was received (as proven by their transcript) on the deadline date, your refund claim is valid.

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Is there a specific IRS publication or form that explains the difference between "received" and "processed" dates? I'm having the same issue and want to include the correct references in my appeal.

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There isn't a single publication that clearly explains this distinction, which is part of why these issues are so frustrating. However, Internal Revenue Manual (IRM) 3.11.3.7 covers return processing timeframes and date stamping procedures. While the IRM isn't law, it does document the IRS's internal procedures. When writing your appeal, focus on your transcript. The transaction codes on your transcript are your strongest evidence. Look for TC 150 (return filed/processed) and any associated dates. If there's a TC 971 (miscellaneous transaction) near the filing date, this often indicates when the return was physically received before processing. These codes and dates on your official transcript are considered factual documentation by the Appeals office.

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Paolo Ricci

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Has anyone had success appealing a 105c letter? I just got one too for my 2019 taxes and I'm stressing out about losing my refund!

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Amina Toure

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I successfully appealed one last year. The key was providing clear documentation and being super specific about dates. I included a clear timeline, copies of my mailing receipt and tracking, and highlighted the relevant dates on my transcript. I also cited the specific tax code sections about timely filing (IRC 7502 regarding timely mailing = timely filing). My appeal was approved after about 4 months.

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Nathan Kim

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I'm dealing with a very similar situation right now! I filed my 2018 return on April 15, 2022 (three days before the deadline) via certified mail, and I also just received a 105c letter claiming the statute of limitations expired. What's really frustrating is that I have the certified mail receipt showing delivery on April 16, 2022, but somehow the IRS is saying I filed too late. I haven't gotten my transcript yet, but after reading your post I'm definitely going to request it immediately. It's reassuring to see that your transcript shows the correct received date - that gives me hope that mine will too. The advice about Form 12203 is really helpful. I had no idea there was a specific appeals form for this situation. Thank you for sharing your experience! It's scary getting these letters, but seeing that others are going through the same thing and that there are concrete steps to take makes me feel less alone in this mess.

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Nalani Liu

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Nathan, you're absolutely right to request your transcript immediately - that's going to be your most important piece of evidence! Since you have certified mail delivery confirmation for April 16, 2022 (well before the April 18 deadline), you should be in a strong position to appeal. Make sure to keep that certified mail receipt safe - it's proof of timely filing under IRC Section 7502 (the "timely mailed is timely filed" rule). When you get your transcript, look specifically for the received date and any transaction codes like TC 150 or TC 971 that show when the IRS actually got your return. You're definitely not alone in this! It seems like there's been a wave of these 105c letters going out recently, possibly due to processing backlogs from that period. The good news is that people with solid documentation like yours are successfully getting these decisions reversed through appeals. Just make sure to file Form 12203 within 30 days of receiving your 105c letter, and include copies of everything - the letter, your transcript, your certified mail receipt, and a detailed timeline. Stay strong - you've got the documentation on your side!

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Diego Flores

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I'm so sorry you're dealing with this stress! As someone who's been through similar IRS documentation nightmares, I wanted to share a few additional tips that might help strengthen your appeal: First, when you file Form 12203, consider requesting a "Collection Due Process" hearing as well if they've started any collection actions. This gives you additional procedural protections. Second, in your appeal letter, specifically mention that you're disputing the "determination" rather than just asking for reconsideration. The IRS treats these differently, and a formal dispute of their determination carries more weight. Also, if you still have that original USPS priority mail receipt from April 16th (even without tracking updates), include a copy of that too. Sometimes USPS can provide additional documentation about delivery attempts or processing delays during peak tax season that could support your case. The fact that your transcript shows April 18, 2022 as the received date is huge - that's the IRS's own record contradicting their 105c letter. Focus heavily on that discrepancy in your appeal. You might even want to highlight or circle that date on the transcript copy you submit. Hang in there - you have strong evidence and a good chance of success!

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This is incredibly helpful advice, Diego! I hadn't thought about the distinction between disputing a "determination" versus asking for "reconsideration" - that's exactly the kind of detail that could make a difference in how the IRS handles the appeal. Your point about Collection Due Process is really important too. I haven't received any collection notices yet, but it's good to know that's an option if things escalate. I do still have that original USPS receipt from April 16th! Even though the tracking never updated, you're right that it's still proof I mailed it on time. I'll definitely include that along with the transcript showing their April 18th received date. It's amazing how this thread has turned into such a comprehensive guide for dealing with 105c letters. Between the Form 12203 info, the specific tax code citations, the transcript analysis tips, and now your procedural advice, I feel like I actually have a roadmap to follow instead of just panicking. Thank you for taking the time to share these details - it really means a lot to those of us navigating this stressful situation!

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