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Giovanni Rossi

How do I expense medical costs as a C-corporation owner without traditional health insurance?

I own a small bakery that I run with my husband as a C-corporation. We're both employed full-time by our business. When we started growing, we set up health insurance for our full-time employees and included ourselves in a PPO family plan. The problem is our PPO is costing around $2,500 a month for our family of five. We've been crunching the numbers lately and realized we might come out financially ahead if we just paid out-of-pocket for our medical expenses instead of continuing with this expensive insurance. I know we can deduct our insurance premiums as a business expense, but I'm wondering about the alternative route. If we cancel our current plan (or maybe just switch to a bare-bones catastrophic coverage plan for emergencies), can our C-corporation directly deduct medical expenses when we pay them? Like if we have regular doctor visits, need prescriptions, or other routine healthcare costs? Would those be legitimate business deductions for our corporation if we're not using traditional health insurance?

This is actually a fairly common question for small business owners. As a C-corporation, you have a few options, but there are important distinctions to understand. If you simply pay medical expenses directly as a corporation without any formal plan in place, those payments would likely be considered taxable compensation to you and your husband (meaning you'd pay personal income tax on those amounts). However, there's a better way to handle this. Look into setting up a Health Reimbursement Arrangement (HRA) - specifically an Individual Coverage HRA (ICHRA) or a Qualified Small Employer HRA (QSEHRA). These are formal plans that allow your C-corporation to reimburse employees (including you and your husband) for qualified medical expenses tax-free, and the corporation gets the deduction. With these arrangements, you could purchase a lower-cost catastrophic plan for emergencies as you mentioned, and then use the HRA to cover your out-of-pocket expenses. The business would get the deduction, and you wouldn't have taxable income from the reimbursements.

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Thanks for explaining this! I'm in a similar situation and wondering - with a QSEHRA, is there a limit to how much the company can reimburse annually? And does it have to be offered to all employees or just owners?

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Yes, there are annual reimbursement limits with a QSEHRA. For 2024, the limits are $6,150 for individual coverage and $12,500 for family coverage. These typically increase slightly each year. A QSEHRA must be offered to all full-time employees on the same terms, so you can't just offer it to owners. However, you can prorate the amount based on part-time status. With an ICHRA, you have more flexibility in creating employee classes and setting different reimbursement amounts for different classes of employees.

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Connor Byrne

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Something nobody's mentioned yet - have you considered setting up a Section 105 Plan? It's specifically designed for C-corps (and S-corps) where the owners are also employees. It lets your business reimburse you for medical expenses tax-free. The advantage over an HRA is that Section 105 Plans don't have the same annual limits. You'll need formal plan documents, but it's a powerful option for small business owners trying to manage healthcare costs.

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Yara Elias

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I looked into 105 Plans but got confused - aren't these basically just a type of HRA now? I thought the ACA changed how they work? Our accountant mentioned something about this but wasn't super clear.

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Connor Byrne

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You're right that the terminology gets confusing. Section 105 refers to the part of the tax code that authorizes these arrangements. What most people call a "Section 105 Plan" today is typically set up as an ICHRA (Individual Coverage HRA) or occasionally a QSEHRA for very small employers. Before the ACA, standalone Section 105 Plans had fewer restrictions, but now they generally need to be integrated with a compliant health insurance plan. So you'd still need some form of insurance coverage (like that catastrophic plan you mentioned), but then the HRA/105 Plan can cover the out-of-pocket expenses.

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QuantumQuasar

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Just curious - why are you even bothering with a C-corp for a small restaurant? The double taxation seems like a huge disadvantage compared to an S-corp or LLC. Especially for handling things like medical expenses. We converted from C to S last year and it made our healthcare situation way simpler.

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Not OP but sometimes there are valid reasons for C-corp status even for small businesses. Could be planning for investors, specific liability concerns, plans to offer different classes of stock, or retention of significant earnings within the business. Medical expense handling is just one factor in a complex decision.

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We actually have plans to bring in outside investors next year, and our lawyer advised that C-corp structure would make that process much smoother. We're also reinvesting most profits back into opening a second location, so the retained earnings aspect of a C-corp works better for our situation right now. I know it complicates things like medical expenses, which is why I'm trying to figure out the most tax-efficient approach. It's definitely a tradeoff, but the C-corp structure aligns better with our 5-year business plan.

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Aisha Jackson

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Given your expansion plans and C-corp structure, you're definitely on the right track thinking about medical expense optimization. One thing I'd add to the excellent HRA suggestions already mentioned - make sure you document everything meticulously since C-corps face more scrutiny on owner-employee benefits. Since you're planning for investors, having a formal, well-documented medical reimbursement plan will actually look good to potential investors as it shows you're thinking strategically about employee benefits and tax efficiency. They'll appreciate that you're managing costs intelligently while staying compliant. For your specific situation with five family members, even with the QSEHRA limits mentioned earlier ($12,500 for family coverage), you could still save significantly compared to that $30K annual premium you're paying. The key is pairing it with a lower-cost catastrophic plan as you mentioned - this gives you the best of both worlds: protection against major medical events and tax-efficient coverage of routine expenses. One last tip: make sure your corporate minutes reflect the formal adoption of whatever medical plan you choose. This documentation will be crucial if the IRS ever questions whether the reimbursements are legitimate business expenses versus disguised dividends.

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Mei Wong

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This is really helpful advice, especially about the documentation aspect! I'm new to navigating C-corp compliance requirements and hadn't considered how the medical reimbursement plan documentation could actually be a positive when we're talking to investors. Quick question - when you mention corporate minutes reflecting the formal adoption, does this need to be done at a board meeting or can it be handled through written consent? We're pretty informal right now since it's just my husband and me, but I want to make sure we're doing this properly from the start. Also, has anyone here had experience with how investors typically view these kinds of employee benefit arrangements? I'm wondering if having a well-structured medical plan in place might actually help demonstrate that we're thinking about scaling employee benefits as we grow.

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Ella Lewis

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Great questions! For C-corp formalities, written consent absolutely works and is often more practical for small corporations. You'll want to document the resolution adopting the medical reimbursement plan, specifying the type (ICHRA/QSEHRA), coverage amounts, and eligibility criteria. Keep this with your corporate records. Regarding investor perspective - having structured employee benefits definitely demonstrates operational maturity. Investors like seeing that you're thinking systematically about total compensation costs and tax efficiency. A well-documented medical plan shows you understand compliance requirements and are planning for scale. When you eventually hire more employees, you'll already have the framework in place rather than scrambling to create benefits packages. One practical tip: consider having your attorney or accountant review the resolution language before you adopt it. The specific wording can matter for IRS compliance, and getting it right from the start is much easier than trying to fix documentation issues later during due diligence.

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Carmen Diaz

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This is such a timely discussion! I'm dealing with similar healthcare cost pressures in my small C-corp. One thing I'd add to the excellent advice already shared - make sure you run the numbers on different catastrophic plan options before making the switch. I found that some catastrophic plans have much higher deductibles than others, and the difference can significantly impact your total out-of-pocket costs when combined with an HRA. For example, a plan with a $6,000 deductible versus one with a $12,000 deductible can change your break-even calculation substantially, especially if you have regular medical needs in your family of five. Also, don't forget to factor in network restrictions. Some lower-cost catastrophic plans have very limited provider networks, which could be problematic if you have established relationships with specific doctors or specialists. The savings might not be worth it if you end up paying out-of-network rates for providers you want to keep seeing. Have you looked into whether your current doctors participate in the networks of the catastrophic plans you're considering? This could be a make-or-break factor in your decision.

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This is really good practical advice about the network restrictions! I hadn't fully considered how limiting some catastrophic plan networks can be. We've been with the same family practice for years, and my youngest has ongoing care with a pediatric specialist that would be expensive to continue out-of-network. I'm definitely going to create a spreadsheet comparing the different catastrophic options - deductible amounts, network coverage for our current providers, and monthly premiums. Then I can model out different scenarios based on our typical annual medical usage to see where the real break-even point is with an HRA. Do you have any recommendations for where to shop for catastrophic plans? I've been looking at the marketplace, but wondering if there are other options that might work better for small business owners.

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Amina Sow

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For catastrophic plan shopping, I'd recommend checking with your state's insurance marketplace first, but also look into short-term medical plans and association health plans if available in your area. Some professional associations (like restaurant or small business associations) offer group catastrophic coverage that can have better rates and networks than individual marketplace plans. Also worth considering - since you're planning for expansion and investors, you might want to model out what your medical costs would look like with 10-15 employees. This could influence whether you set up a QSEHRA (which has lower administrative burden) versus an ICHRA (which offers more flexibility for different employee classes). If you're planning to hire significantly in the next 2-3 years, starting with the more flexible structure might save you from having to restructure your medical benefits later. One last thing - make sure to check if your state has any additional regulations around C-corp medical reimbursement arrangements. Some states have their own compliance requirements that layer on top of the federal HRA rules. Your attorney should be able to quickly confirm this when you're reviewing the corporate resolution documents.

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Luca Ferrari

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This is really comprehensive advice! I'm particularly interested in the point about association health plans - I hadn't considered that route at all. As a bakery owner, I should look into whether there are any local restaurant or food service associations that offer group coverage options. The scalability perspective is also really valuable. We're hoping to go from 8 employees now to around 20-25 over the next three years, so starting with the right framework from the beginning makes a lot of sense. It sounds like ICHRA might be the better long-term choice even if it's slightly more complex to set up initially. One question - when you mention state-specific regulations, is this something that typically adds significant compliance burden or cost? We're in Texas, so I'm hoping the regulatory environment is relatively business-friendly, but I want to make sure we're not walking into any unexpected complications. Thanks for all the detailed guidance - this thread has been incredibly helpful in thinking through all the angles!

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