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Derek Olson

How can I lower my tax withholdings on 2025 W4 now that dependents changed?

Hey everyone, I'm looking for advice on how to adjust my W4 to reduce what's being taken out of my paychecks. I'm single, don't qualify for head of household, and have no kids. Basically, I heard there were changes to how dependents work on the 2025 W4 form and I'm confused about it all. My main goal is to free up more cash now to pay down some credit cards with insane interest rates (almost 30%!!). Honestly couldn't care less about getting a tax refund next year - I'd rather have the money now. When I login to my company's HR portal, there's an option to change "number of other dependents" but I'm not sure if that even does anything anymore with the new form changes? Am I just stuck having the maximum amount withheld from each check? Any advice would be super appreciated because these credit card bills are killing me.

Danielle Mays

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The W-4 has actually changed quite a bit in recent years. The "allowances" system was replaced with a different method that's more directly tied to your actual tax situation. For your goal of increasing your take-home pay, you have a few options on the current W-4: You can use Step 4(b) to claim deductions other than the standard deduction, which would reduce your withholding. If you have any deductions like mortgage interest or significant charitable contributions, you can list those here. More directly for your situation, you can use Step 4(c) to request an additional amount of tax to be withheld, but with a negative number. For example, if you put "-$50" in Step 4(c), that would reduce your withholding by approximately $50 per paycheck. Just be careful not to reduce it too much or you might end up owing taxes plus an underpayment penalty when you file.

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Roger Romero

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Wait, can you actually put a negative number in Step 4(c)? I thought that was only for requesting ADDITIONAL withholding, not less. And wouldn't the IRS flag that as invalid? Also, if OP has high interest credit cards, wouldn't they potentially qualify for some interest deduction they could list in 4(b)? Or does that only apply to certain types of interest?

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Danielle Mays

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You're right that Step 4(c) is labeled for additional withholding, but many payroll systems will actually process a negative number there. It's a bit of a workaround that some payroll systems allow, but you're correct that it's not the official intended use. Credit card interest unfortunately isn't tax-deductible for personal use, so that wouldn't help in this situation. Only certain types of interest like mortgage interest, student loan interest, and investment interest in some cases are deductible.

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Anna Kerber

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Niko Ramsey

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Does this calculator actually tell you what to put for each box on the W-4? My payroll system is so confusing and I never know what numbers to put where. And does it work for all states or just federal?

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I'm skeptical of online calculators. How does it know your complete tax situation just from a paystub? What about other income sources or deductions you might have that wouldn't show up there?

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Anna Kerber

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Niko Ramsey

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Jabari-Jo

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Nia Watson

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For the W4 specifically, don't overlook the "Additional income" section in Step 4(a). If you leave this blank, the system assumes your current job is your only source of income. If that's true, then your withholding will be calculated assuming all your income is in lower tax brackets. But if you have a second job or significant investment income, you should fill this out to avoid a surprise tax bill. For someone with only one job trying to maximize take-home pay, make sure this section is blank (unless you do have other income).

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Derek Olson

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So I just have the one job, no investments or side gigs - that sounds like leaving 4(a) blank would help me? Would claiming additional deductions in 4(b) also help increase my paycheck, or is that more complicated? I'm honestly not even sure what deductions I qualify for.

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Nia Watson

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Yes, leaving 4(a) blank is correct for your situation with just one job. That helps ensure you're not being over-withheld based on assumptions about multiple income sources. For 4(b), you could list deductions that exceed the standard deduction amount (which is $13,850 for single filers in 2025). This includes things like mortgage interest, large charitable donations, or certain medical expenses. If you don't itemize deductions or your itemized deductions don't exceed the standard amount, then you wouldn't put anything in 4(b) either. For most people with straightforward tax situations, the standard deduction is higher than their itemized deductions would be.

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My company's payroll system has an option where you can just request a specific additional dollar amount to be withheld, rather than messing with all the dependent stuff. Maybe look for something like that? I just put in "-$100" and got an extra hundred bucks per paycheck. Been doing it for years with no issues.

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That's really dangerous advice. You can't just put in whatever random negative number you want. That could lead to serious underwithholding and penalties. The IRS redesigned the W-4 specifically to prevent people from manipulating their withholding like that.

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