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Zara Shah

How can I deduct expenses for my model horse hobby that I buy and sell for?

So I've been collecting model horses for years now as a serious hobby. I buy models when I find good deals, sometimes fix them up or customize them, and sell some to fund new purchases. The thing is, I definitely spend way more than I make on this hobby (my spouse keeps reminding me of this fact lol). I made around $1,200 last year selling models, but spent close to $2,000 buying new ones and supplies. With tax season approaching, I'm confused about how to report this on my taxes. Do I need to report the sales income? And more importantly, can I deduct my expenses somehow so I'm not paying taxes on the full $1,200 when this is really just a hobby that costs me money overall? I use PayPal for most transactions if that matters. Any advice on the right way to handle this for a hobby that has some income but isn't actually profitable?

Luca Bianchi

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You'll need to report the income from your model horse sales on Schedule 1, Line 8z as "Other Income" and write "hobby income" in the description. Unfortunately, the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act eliminated hobby expense deductions starting in 2018. Prior to 2018, you could deduct hobby expenses as miscellaneous itemized deductions on Schedule A (up to the amount of hobby income), but that's no longer allowed. So you'll pay tax on the full $1,200 even though you spent more than you earned. If you're really serious about your model horse activities, you might consider whether you qualify as a business rather than a hobby. Businesses can deduct expenses, but you'd need to show a profit motive and operate in a businesslike manner. The IRS uses a "9-factor test" to determine if an activity is a business or hobby, including whether you conduct the activity in a businesslike manner and intend to make it profitable.

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Zara Shah

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Wait, so I have to pay taxes on all of my sales even though I'm actually LOSING money overall? That seems really unfair! Is there any way around this at all? Would it help if I registered as a small business or something?

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Luca Bianchi

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Yes, unfortunately that's correct - you have to report all income but can't deduct the expenses if it's a hobby. That's why it's worth considering if your activity might qualify as a business instead. To qualify as a business, you need to demonstrate that you're engaging in the activity with the primary purpose of making a profit, even if you haven't actually been profitable yet. Having a separate business bank account, keeping good records, having a business plan for how you'll eventually make a profit, and marketing your models systematically would all support business treatment. The IRS presumes an activity is a business if it makes a profit in at least 3 of 5 consecutive years, but you can still qualify as a business without meeting that test.

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StarSurfer

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Have you looked into forming an LLC for your model horse business? I did that with my vintage toy collecting/selling a few years ago, and it's worked out really well for tax purposes. You can deduct all legitimate business expenses against your income, and if you operate at a loss, those losses can potentially offset other income (though there are limitations if the IRS considers it a "hobby loss"). Just make sure you keep VERY detailed records of everything - all purchases, sales, supplies, even mileage if you drive to shows or to pick up inventory. Take photos of everything. The more documentation you have that you're operating like a business, the better position you'll be in if you ever get audited.

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Zara Shah

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That's interesting! Would I need to talk to a lawyer to set up an LLC? And would doing this require a lot more complicated tax forms? I'm already nervous about doing my taxes correctly.

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StarSurfer

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You actually don't need a lawyer to set up an LLC in most states! I did mine online through my state's business registration website for about $100. The forms were pretty straightforward. You'll also need to get an EIN number from the IRS website which is free and takes just a few minutes. As for taxes, if you're a single-member LLC, it doesn't complicate things much at all. You'll file Schedule C with your personal tax return to report business income and expenses. Most tax software walks you through this pretty easily. The main thing is keeping good records throughout the year - I use a simple spreadsheet to track all purchases, sales, and expenses. The benefits of being able to deduct your expenses definitely outweigh the small amount of extra tax paperwork.

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Carmen Reyes

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Everyone here is focused on the hobby vs business question, but there's another angle to consider. If you're mainly selling model horses that you previously purchased for your collection (rather than making/modifying them yourself), you might be able to treat these as capital assets. When you sell a capital asset, you report the sale price minus what you paid for it (your basis). So if you bought a model horse for $100 and sold it for $150, you'd only pay tax on the $50 profit. This might be a better approach than hobby income if you're primarily just buying and reselling without substantial modification.

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Andre Moreau

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This is interesting! Would you use Schedule D for this instead of reporting as hobby income? And do you need to keep receipts for everything to prove what you originally paid?

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Just to add another perspective... If you customize or restore the model horses before selling them, that effort might strengthen your case as a business rather than just collecting. You're adding value through your labor and expertise, not just buying and selling. I make and sell handcrafted jewelry and was in a similar position a few years ago. Once I documented my design process, tracked my time spent making pieces, and marketed my work more consistently, my tax preparer was comfortable treating it as a business on Schedule C, even though I wasn't profitable every year.

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Zara Shah

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I do customize some of them! I repaint about 30% of the models I sell, and sometimes do minor repairs on vintage pieces. I just wasn't sure if that was enough to count as a "real business" since it's still mostly just for fun. But it sounds like that could help my case?

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That definitely strengthens your case! The customization and repairs show you're adding value through your skills and labor, which is a big factor in the business vs. hobby determination. Make sure you document your work process - take before and after photos of your customizations, track the time you spend on each project, and keep receipts for all supplies. Also, consider creating a separate Instagram or Facebook page showcasing your work, even if it's just casual. Having a business presence online is another factor that supports business treatment. You might also want to look into selling at model horse shows or conventions if you don't already - participating in trade shows is another indicator the IRS looks for when determining if something is a business. The key is to show that you're making decisions with the intent to eventually be profitable, even if you're not there yet.

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