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Malik Jackson

Confusion on 1099-NEC vs 1099-K and how to report hobby income - need tax help!

I'm scratching my head trying to sort out my tax situation this year. I teach woodturning classes at our local makerspace a few times a year when they need someone to fill in. Nothing regular, just occasional gigs. They pay me through PayPal, and I've received a 1099-NEC from the makerspace for $1,875.50 total for the year. Then PayPal also issued me a 1099-K for these same payments. To complicate things, about $31.75 of that total was actually reimbursement for materials I purchased for the classes (some hardwood blanks the students used). And here's where it gets more confusing - I also made around $25 at their winter craft fair where I sold a couple of wooden pens I turned. This is just a stress-relief hobby for me, and I definitely spent more than $25 on materials for those pens (probably closer to $40 with the special wood and hardware kits). I'm using TurboTax, and it says not to enter the 1099-K if I've already entered a 1099-NEC for the same income. So I'm not listing the $1,875.50 twice, but what about the $31.75 reimbursement? Do I need to list that separately? And should I bother reporting the $25 hobby sale since it was actually a loss when considering material costs? Any guidance would be super appreciated!

The key is to make sure you're not double-reporting income while still accounting for everything properly. Here's how to handle your situation: For the teaching income: You're correct that you shouldn't report the same income twice. Since you have a 1099-NEC from the makerspace, use that form for reporting purposes and ignore the PayPal 1099-K for those same amounts. For the materials reimbursement: This is technically not income - it's a reimbursement for expenses you incurred. You should exclude this from your income BUT also not claim those expenses as deductions. They cancel each other out. For your hobby sale: The tax law changed with the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, and unfortunately, hobby expenses are no longer deductible against hobby income. You need to report the $25 as "Other Income" on Schedule 1, but you cannot deduct the costs of materials against it. Remember that even though you received these forms, you might be able to file a Schedule C if your teaching activities constitute a business with profit motive rather than just a hobby.

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StarSurfer

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Thanks for the explanation. I'm confused about the hobby part though. So I have to pay taxes on the $25 even though I actually LOST money on making those pens? That doesn't seem fair at all. Also, how do I know if my teaching is a "business" vs just something I do occasionally? I only taught like 4 classes last year.

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You're right that it doesn't seem fair, but that's how the tax law works now. Before 2018, you could deduct hobby expenses up to the amount of hobby income, but that deduction was eliminated. So yes, you report the $25 as income and can't deduct the costs. Regarding whether your teaching is a business or hobby, the IRS looks at several factors: do you maintain proper records, depend on the income, put in time and effort to make it profitable, and have expertise in the area? Even 4 classes can be a business if you approach it with a profit motive and run it in a businesslike manner. This could be advantageous since business expenses on Schedule C are fully deductible against your business income.

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FYI - for the woodworking stuff, you might actually be better off treating it as a business instead of a hobby if you're doing it with any regularity. I do similar woodturning (bowls/pens) and have been declaring it as a business for 3 years now. Benefits: - Can deduct ALL expenses including tools, materials, even part of your home workspace - Can deduct mileage to craft fairs, supply stores, etc - Losses can offset other income (within limits) You need to show that you're trying to make a profit (keep good records, have business cards, maybe an Etsy shop, etc.) even if you're not profitable yet. The IRS allows businesses to have losses for several years as you build up. Talk to a tax pro, but don't automatically assume it's just a hobby.

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Malik Jackson

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Thanks for this perspective! I do keep pretty detailed records of material costs, time spent, etc. just for my own tracking. I haven't really marketed my stuff beyond the occasional craft fair, but I have been thinking about setting up an Etsy. Do I need a business license or anything formal to call it a business on my taxes? And would I still use Schedule C even for such a small operation?

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You don't necessarily need a formal business license for tax purposes, though your local requirements might vary. For federal taxes, you can absolutely use Schedule C even for very small operations - there's no minimum income threshold. The detailed records you already keep are perfect - that's exactly what helps establish it as a business rather than a hobby. If you're thinking about Etsy, that's another indicator of profit motive. Other things that help: having business cards, a dedicated Instagram for your woodworking, participating in multiple craft fairs, reinvesting income into better equipment, and learning new techniques to improve your products. The IRS looks at your intent and behavior more than the actual profit.

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Sean Kelly

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Quick tip on the PayPal/1099-K situation - PayPal is required to issue 1099-Ks for annual payments over a certain threshold, but that doesn't mean you have to pay taxes twice! When I enter my tax info, I always: 1) Enter the 1099-NEC first 2) When TurboTax asks about 1099-K, I say yes, I received one 3) When it asks if this income was already reported elsewhere, I say YES 4) It'll then ask you to identify which income it duplicates This way everything is properly documented but not double-counted. Hope that helps!

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Zara Mirza

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This is super helpful - thanks! TurboTax has been confusing me with this exact issue. Does this also work if the amounts don't match exactly? My 1099-NEC is slightly different than my 1099-K total (like $50 difference) because of some timing issues with the payments.

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