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So I tried to do an indirect Roth IRA rollover moving about $1,350 from my Vanguard Roth to my new Fidelity Roth. I only moved original contributions, not any earnings. The problem is Vanguard flagged it as an early distribution on my tax docs. Here's what happened: I transferred money from my Vanguard Roth to my Fidelity checking account, but I got impatient and actually moved money from my checking to the Fidelity Roth BEFORE the Vanguard transfer even completed. So technically the dates don't match up properly. I already filed my taxes but haven't received my refund yet. I'm trying to figure out if I need to amend or if I can somehow prove this wasn't actually an early distribution since it was original contributions going to another Roth. I know you can withdraw original contributions without penalties, but I'm unclear if the timing issue messes this up. Is it worth fighting this or should I just accept the penalty and additional taxable income? It's only $1k so filing an amended return might cost more in preparation fees than I'd save. I just want to file correctly without overpaying if this rollover is actually fine despite the date mismatch.
So I just realized I've completely screwed myself over with my EITC eligibility this year. I've already got about $13.5k in interest and dividends recorded for the year, with another $3.8k expected to post in December. I just found out the investment income limit for claiming the Earned Income Tax Credit is $11,000 for 2023, and I'm way over that threshold. I stand to lose around $2,800 in EITC by having this much investment income. I've gone through my taxable accounts and unfortunately don't have any investments showing losses that I could harvest to offset some of this income. Is there anything I can do in the next few weeks to get under the $11,000 investment income threshold? Or am I just out of luck for this tax year? I'm kicking myself for not being more careful about what investments I put in my taxable accounts versus retirement accounts.
Check if any of your dividend income is from foreign sources. If so, you might be able to claim the foreign tax credit, which while it doesn't reduce your investment income, could help offset some of the tax impact from losing the EITC. Also worth checking if any of your investments made return of capital distributions that might have been misclassified as dividends on your statements.
I'm in a similar situation with investment income pushing me over the EITC threshold. One thing that might help is reviewing your 1099s very carefully - sometimes brokerages misclassify certain distributions. Also, if you have any investments in REITs or master limited partnerships (MLPs), some of their distributions might be considered return of capital rather than dividend income, which wouldn't count toward the $11,000 limit. Another angle to consider: if you have any investments showing unrealized losses, you could sell them before year-end to generate capital losses that offset some of your gains or other investment income. Just make sure you don't run afoul of wash sale rules if you plan to repurchase. Unfortunately, there's no way to "undo" interest and dividends that have already been distributed to you this year, but these strategies might help reduce your reportable investment income for EITC purposes.
I've been doing some research on Charitable Remainder Trusts (CRTs) for estate planning, and I'm confused about the 10% remainder rule with volatile assets. According to the IRS requirements for a charitable remainder trust: - You transfer assets into an irrevocable trust - The trust pays income to at least one living beneficiary - Payments continue for up to 20 years or the lifetime of beneficiaries - After the term ends, the remainder goes to qualified U.S. charitable organizations - The charitable remainder must be at least 10% of the initial fair market value Here's my question - what happens if the assets tank in value? For example: Say I put $800,000 worth of cryptocurrency into a charitable remainder annuity trust (CRAT). I name my mom as the income beneficiary, getting $40,000 annually (5% minimum). She gets her first payment, but then the crypto market crashes 95% the following year. Suddenly the remaining $760,000 is only worth about $38,000. That's nowhere near 10% of the initial value that's supposed to go to charity. But we didn't do anything wrong - the market just crashed. Would this invalidate the entire trust? Would there be penalties even though it wasn't intentional? Am I misunderstanding how the 10% rule works with these trusts?
Anyone here actually used a CRT for crypto specifically? I'm looking at doing this with some Ethereum that's way up from my cost basis, but my attorney seems hesitant about using crypto in a trust like this. Said something about valuation issues.
I set up a CRUT (not a CRAT) with Bitcoin last year. The key challenge was getting proper valuation documentation for the IRS. We used the average of three exchanges at exactly the same time to establish FMV. Also, the trustee immediately converted to a diversified portfolio to avoid exactly the scenario OP is worried about. No regrets so far - saved a ton on capital gains and the income stream is stable now that we're not at the mercy of crypto volatility.
This is exactly why I always recommend consulting with both a tax attorney AND a financial advisor who specializes in charitable trusts before setting up any CRT with volatile assets. The interplay between the 10% remainder rule, payment obligations, and asset volatility can create serious cash flow issues even when you're technically compliant with IRS requirements. One strategy I've seen work well is setting up what's called a "flip CRUT" - it starts as a net income makeup trust (NIMCRUT) that only pays out actual income earned, then "flips" to a standard unitrust once a triggering event occurs (like diversification of the original volatile assets). This provides protection during periods when the trust assets might not generate enough income to support full payments. The key takeaway from your crypto example is that while the 10% rule won't be violated by market crashes after establishment, you could end up with a trust that gets completely depleted paying the fixed annuity amounts, leaving nothing for the charitable remainder. That defeats the whole purpose of the structure.
I filed my taxes earlier this week through Jackson Hewitt and opted for the refund advance loan option. Got approved for $1700 but they only sent $850 to my account. The tax preparer said the other half would come within 1-5 business days. Has anyone else experienced this? Getting nervous since I really need the full amount and wasn't told about this split payment thing beforehand.
Might also depend on who your bank is. Some banks process ACH transfers faster than others. I got my split payment but the second half took 6 business days even though they said 3-5. My credit union is notoriously slow with processing.
This split payment thing is actually super common - I've seen it with almost every major tax prep company. They're basically hedging their bets in case the IRS rejects your return for any reason. The good news is that once they've released the first half, it usually means your return looks good and the second half should come through as promised. I'd give it the full 5 business days they mentioned before worrying. If it doesn't show up by then, definitely call them directly. Most of the time these payments come through exactly when they say they will, just feels longer when you're waiting for money you need!
Has anyone heard what time Oklahoma is releasing state tax refunds today? Been refreshing my bank account all morning and nothing yet. Getting antsy here!
Jacinda Yu
Sorry for the dumb queston but how do you know if you moved "original contributions" vs earnings in a Roth IRA? I've had mine for like 8 years and have no idea which is which when I look at my balance. Is there a way to tell? This is making me realize I don't understand something basic about how these accounts work.
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Landon Flounder
Not a dumb question at all! Your Roth IRA provider should be able to provide you with a statement that shows your contribution basis (the total amount you've contributed over the years) separate from your earnings. You can also calculate it yourself by adding up all your contribution amounts from each year since you opened the account. For example, if you've contributed $30,000 over 8 years and your account is now worth $45,000, then $30,000 would be your original contributions and $15,000 would be earnings. The IRS treats withdrawals from Roth IRAs as coming from contributions first, so you'd need to withdraw more than your total contribution amount before touching any earnings.
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Jacinda Yu
That makes sense, thanks! I just logged into my account and found a section called "contribution history" that lists everything I've put in by year. Looks like about 60% of my current balance is from my contributions and the rest is growth. Good to know this matters for withdrawal rules.
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Adriana Cohn
The timing mismatch isn't necessarily a deal-breaker, but you'll need to be very careful about how you document this. Since you moved the money to your Fidelity Roth before the Vanguard distribution was complete, the IRS might view this as two separate transactions: a distribution from Vanguard and a new contribution to Fidelity, rather than a proper rollover. However, since you're dealing with original contributions only, you have some flexibility. Original Roth contributions can always be withdrawn tax and penalty-free, so even if the IRS doesn't accept this as a rollover, you shouldn't owe penalties on the Vanguard distribution. For the amended return, you'll want to include Form 8606 and a detailed explanation showing the connection between the transactions. Make sure you have documentation from both institutions with dates and amounts. Given that it's only $1,350, you might want to weigh the cost of professional help against just treating it as a contribution withdrawal and recontribution - which would still be penalty-free but might affect your annual contribution limits. The key is proving intent to roll over within the 60-day window, even though the funding sources got mixed up.
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