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Isabella Ferreira

Help Understanding Gambling Session Method Calculations for Tax Reporting

Hey everyone, I need some advice on calculating my gambling wins/losses for 2023 using my Fanduel transaction logs for tax purposes. I've tried to organize everything by session, and here's what I've got: total deposits were $4,100, total wins were $33,862.41, and total losses were $28,461.75. When I subtract losses from wins, I get a profit of $5,400.66. My question is: Do I report the $5,400.66 as my gambling income? Or should I be reporting $1,300.66 after subtracting my $4,100 in deposits from the profit? Really confused about the right approach here and don't want to mess up my tax filing. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance!

You'll want to report the full $5,400.66 as your gambling winnings. Your deposits aren't considered losses - they're just the money you put in to gamble with. The IRS looks at your actual wins and losses from the gambling activity itself. If you itemize deductions on Schedule A, you can deduct gambling losses up to the amount of your winnings. So in your case, you'd report $33,862.41 as your total gambling winnings on line 8 of Form 1040, and then you could deduct up to $28,461.75 in losses on Schedule A (assuming you itemize and have proper documentation). Keep in mind that if you take the standard deduction, you won't be able to deduct those gambling losses, but you'll still need to report all your winnings.

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Wait I'm confused. So he reports $33,862.41 as income, but can only deduct the losses if he itemizes? That seems really unfair if he takes the standard deduction. Does this mean if I won $500 but lost $490 gambling, I'd have to pay taxes on the full $500 if I take the standard deduction??

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That's correct - it is one of those tax rules that can feel unfair. If you take the standard deduction, you must still report all gambling winnings as income, but you cannot separately deduct your gambling losses. For your example, if you won $500 but lost $490 gambling, you would indeed need to report the full $500 as income if you take the standard deduction. This is why serious gamblers often end up itemizing deductions, even if the standard deduction might otherwise be higher. It's important to keep detailed records of both wins and losses to maximize your potential deductions if you do choose to itemize.

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One thing that helped me understand gambling tax reporting was learning the difference between "amount wagered" and "losses." Your deposits are basically just moving money from your bank to your DraftKings account - that's not a wager or a loss yet. Each bet you place is a wager. If you win, you get your wager back plus additional money (your winnings). If you lose, the wager becomes a gambling loss. For tax purposes, you need to report the TOTAL of all your winnings (not net), and then if you itemize, you can deduct losses up to the amount of your winnings.

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So in my case, should I be tracking each individual bet as a separate win/loss, or can I use the "session" method where I group my gambling activity by day or session? The transaction log lists hundreds of small bets and it's overwhelming to track each one separately.

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You can absolutely use the session method, which is much more practical for something like online sports betting where you might place dozens or hundreds of bets. The IRS allows you to track your gambling by session, which means you can define a session as your gambling activity for a day or a specific period of continuous play. For each session, you calculate the net result - if you're up for the session, that's a winning session to be reported. If you're down, that's a losing session. Just make sure you're consistent in how you define your sessions, document your approach, and maintain good records of all your gambling activities. The transaction log from DraftKings should be sufficient documentation if you organize it by session.

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Has anyone used TurboTax for reporting their gambling winnings? I've got a similar situation with FanDuel and wondering if the software handles this well.

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I used TurboTax last year for my sports betting income. It asks you to enter your W-2G forms first (if you received any for large wins). Then there's a section for gambling winnings not reported on W-2G where you can enter your total wins and losses. The tricky part is that TurboTax makes you enter your losses on Schedule A as an itemized deduction, so if you're taking the standard deduction, you're kinda stuck reporting all winnings with no offset for losses. ☹️

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I went through this exact same situation with my FanDuel records last year! The key thing to understand is that your $4,100 in deposits aren't "losses" - they're just the money you transferred to your account to gamble with. Think of it like putting cash in your wallet before going to a casino. Your actual gambling wins and losses are what happened when you placed bets. So you're correct that you have $5,400.66 in net gambling income ($33,862.41 wins minus $28,461.75 losses). For tax reporting, you'll need to report the full $33,862.41 as gambling winnings on your Form 1040. If you itemize deductions, you can then deduct up to $28,461.75 in gambling losses on Schedule A. If you take the standard deduction, you unfortunately can't deduct those losses but still must report all the winnings. Make sure to keep all your FanDuel transaction records - the IRS requires good documentation for gambling activities. The session method you mentioned is totally valid for organizing your records, just be consistent in how you define each session.

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Just to add some clarity on the session method - I had a similar situation with multiple sportsbooks last year and was initially overwhelmed by hundreds of individual transactions. What really helped was understanding that you can define a "session" however makes sense for your gambling pattern, as long as you're consistent. For online sports betting, I grouped mine by calendar day since I typically would place several bets throughout a day. Some people group by the time they log in and out of the app. The key is documenting your method and sticking to it. One important thing to note: even though you calculated a net profit of $5,400.66, you still need to report the GROSS winnings of $33,862.41 on your tax return. The $28,461.75 in losses can only offset this if you itemize deductions on Schedule A. Also, make sure you're not double-counting anything in your calculations. Sometimes deposits can get confusing if you're looking at account balance changes versus actual bet outcomes. The transaction log should clearly show "bet placed," "bet won," and "bet lost" which are the key data points for tax purposes. Keep those FanDuel records organized - if you ever get audited, having clean documentation of your session method will be crucial!

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This is really helpful! I'm new to all this tax stuff and have been putting off dealing with my gambling records because it seemed so complicated. Your explanation about grouping by calendar day makes a lot of sense - I was trying to figure out individual bet tracking and it was a nightmare with all the live betting I did during games. Quick question though - when you say "gross winnings," does that include the original bet amount I got back when I won? Like if I bet $100 and won $150 total (my $100 bet plus $50 profit), is my "gross winnings" $150 or just the $50 profit portion? Also, did you end up itemizing or taking the standard deduction? I'm trying to figure out if it's worth itemizing just for the gambling losses or if I should just eat the tax on the full winnings amount.

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Great question! For your example, if you bet $100 and won $150 total back, your "gross winnings" for tax purposes would be the $50 profit portion, not the full $150. The $100 you got back is just your original wager being returned - that's not income. Think of it this way: if you bet $100 and lose, you have a $100 gambling loss. If you bet $100 and win $150 total, you have $50 in gambling winnings (the $150 minus your $100 wager). The sportsbook transaction logs should show this clearly as your "net win" or "profit" for each bet. Regarding itemizing vs standard deduction - it really depends on your total itemized deductions. For 2023, the standard deduction was $13,850 for single filers. If your gambling losses plus other itemizable expenses (state/local taxes, mortgage interest, charitable donations, etc.) exceed that amount, then itemizing makes sense. Otherwise, you're better off taking the standard deduction even though you can't offset the gambling winnings. I ended up itemizing because my gambling losses plus my state income taxes and mortgage interest pushed me over the standard deduction threshold. But definitely run the numbers both ways to see what works better for your situation!

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This is a really common confusion point that I see all the time! You're absolutely right to report the $5,400.66 as your net gambling income, but there's an important distinction in how the IRS wants you to report it. You'll actually need to report your TOTAL winnings of $33,862.41 as income on Form 1040 (line 8b for gambling winnings). Then, if you choose to itemize deductions on Schedule A, you can deduct your gambling losses of $28,461.75 (but only up to the amount of your winnings). Your $4,100 in deposits are NOT considered losses - they're just the money you transferred to play with, similar to exchanging cash for chips at a casino. The actual gambling losses are the $28,461.75 from bets you lost. So your tax impact depends on whether you itemize: - If you itemize: You report $33,862.41 in winnings and deduct $28,461.75 in losses, netting to taxable income of $5,400.66 - If you take the standard deduction: You report $33,862.41 in winnings with no offset, so you pay tax on the full amount Make sure to keep all your FanDuel transaction records well-organized by session as you've done - that documentation will be crucial if you're ever audited. The session method is perfectly valid and much more practical than tracking individual bets!

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This is exactly the kind of clear breakdown I needed! I've been stressing about this for weeks. Just to make sure I understand correctly - even though my net profit was only $5,400.66, I still have to report the full $33,862.41 as income and can only get relief from the losses if I itemize deductions? That seems like it could really hurt people who have modest gambling activity but take the standard deduction. In my case, I'm probably better off itemizing since my losses are so substantial, but I can see how someone with smaller amounts might get stuck paying tax on gross winnings with no offset. Thanks for confirming that my session method approach is valid too - I was worried I was doing something wrong by grouping transactions by day rather than tracking every individual bet. The FanDuel logs have hundreds of entries and organizing by session made it so much more manageable. One last question - do I need to attach the FanDuel transaction logs to my tax return, or just keep them for my records in case of an audit?

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