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Grace Lee

Form 1116: Does the HTKO adjustment amount need to be net of the qualified dividend adjustment?

I'm dealing with foreign taxes on some investments and struggling with Form 1116. Specifically, I'm confused about how to handle the HTKO adjustment for gross income. When I'm calculating this, do I need to input the passive gross income as NET (after subtracting qualified dividend adjustment) or GROSS (before any qualified dividend adjustment) in the form? My situation is I have about $14,500 in foreign dividends from a mix of European and Asian investments, with around $1,890 of that being qualified dividends. The foreign tax withheld was approximately $2,175. I've always done my own taxes using TurboTax, but this Form 1116 is giving me a headache, especially with these HTKO adjustments. I tried reading through the IRS instructions but they're not very clear on this specific point. Can anyone who's dealt with this before help me understand the correct approach? Thanks in advance!

Mia Roberts

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The HTKO adjustment on Form 1116 should be entered as the GROSS amount before the qualified dividend adjustment. This is because the purpose of Form 1116 is to properly calculate your Foreign Tax Credit, and you want to start with the full amount of foreign source income before making any specialized adjustments. When you're working with foreign dividends, you'll first report all foreign income in the appropriate category (likely passive income in your case). Then, the qualified dividend adjustment is handled separately when determining your tax rate. Essentially, you're tracking two things: how much foreign income you received (for credit limitation purposes) and how that income is taxed in the US. For your situation with $14,500 in foreign dividends and $1,890 qualified dividends, you'd initially report the full $14,500 as your gross income in the HTKO section, not the net amount after removing the qualified portion.

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The Boss

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Thanks for the response. I'm still confused though. Doesn't entering the gross amount potentially overstate my foreign tax credit? I thought qualified dividends get special treatment in the US tax system, so wouldn't I need to account for that somehow? Also, do you know if there's any specific line in the instructions that covers this? I've been staring at them for hours.

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Mia Roberts

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The qualified dividend treatment doesn't actually overstate your foreign tax credit. Your concern is valid, but Form 1116 has built-in mechanisms to handle this. The form uses your gross foreign income to establish the maximum potential credit, but then adjusts this through other calculations. The IRS instructions don't explicitly spell this out in one place, which is frustrating. It's spread across several sections. The key concept is that qualified dividends affect your US tax rate, but for foreign tax credit purposes, you still need to account for all income on which foreign tax was paid. The form later reconciles this through the rate differential adjustments.

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Jasmine Quinn

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I'm skeptical about these tax tools. How does it actually know the right calculations for Form 1116? That form is notoriously complicated and even tax pros get it wrong. Does it really understand all the nuances of HTKO and qualified dividend adjustments?

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Lauren Zeb

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Another thing to consider with Form 1116 and HTKO adjustments - make sure you're using the right exchange rates for converting your foreign dividends. The IRS wants you to use yearly average exchange rates for regular income, but you can use the actual exchange rate on the date of payment for taxes withheld. Getting this wrong can also mess up your calculations.

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Where do you even find the official exchange rates that the IRS accepts? My brokerage statements show the amounts already converted to USD, but I'm not sure if they're using the rates the IRS would approve of.

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Lauren Zeb

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The IRS publishes yearly average exchange rates on their website that you can use for income conversion. Just search "IRS yearly average exchange rates" and you'll find them. For taxes withheld, you can use either the rate on the date of payment or the yearly average. If your brokerage has already converted everything to USD, you can generally use those numbers, but I prefer to verify with the official rates, especially for large amounts. I've found discrepancies before where my brokerage used slightly different conversion rates than what the IRS publishes. Not a huge deal for small amounts, but it can add up.

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Does anyone know if TurboTax handles Form 1116 correctly with these HTKO adjustments? I've been using it for years but never really understood if it's doing the qualified dividend calculations properly.

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Anthony Young

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TurboTax technically can handle Form 1116, but in my experience, it doesn't explain what it's doing very well. I found it doesn't give clear guidance on exactly how it's treating HTKO adjustments or qualified dividends. I switched to using H&R Block's software which seems to have better explanations for international tax situations.

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Josef Tearle

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I've been dealing with similar Form 1116 confusion for years with my international investments. After reading through all these responses, it's clear that the HTKO adjustment should use the GROSS amount before qualified dividend adjustments, but I wanted to add something that might help others. One thing that really helped me understand this was realizing that Form 1116 is essentially doing two separate calculations: (1) determining how much foreign tax credit you're eligible for based on ALL your foreign income, and (2) figuring out how that income gets taxed in the US (where qualified dividends get special treatment). The HTKO section is part of calculation #1 - you need the full gross amount to properly establish your foreign tax credit limitation. The qualified dividend preferential treatment happens later in the form when calculating your US tax liability on that income. For Grace's situation with $14,500 in foreign dividends, you'd report the full amount in the HTKO section, then let the form handle the qualified dividend portion separately. This ensures you get the maximum allowable foreign tax credit while still getting the benefit of qualified dividend tax rates where applicable.

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This is exactly the kind of clear explanation I was looking for! Your two-part breakdown really helps clarify why the gross amount is used for HTKO. I've been overthinking this whole process, but when you frame it as separate calculations it makes perfect sense. One follow-up question - when you mention "let the form handle the qualified dividend portion separately," does this happen automatically in tax software, or are there specific lines where I need to make sure the qualified dividend treatment is being applied correctly? I want to make sure I'm not missing any steps in the process. Thanks for taking the time to explain this so clearly!

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