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Lily Young

Form 1065, Schedule B2 requires a TIN number but all partnership members are foreign - any workarounds?

I'm currently working on filing Form 1065 for our small partnership, and I've run into a roadblock with Schedule B-31. It gives us the option to opt out of the centralized partnership audit regime, which would require us to file Schedule B-2. The problem is that Schedule B-2 requires each member to provide a TIN number, but both of our partners are based overseas and don't have US taxpayer identification numbers. I've been staring at this form for hours trying to figure out what to do. Can we just leave the TIN field blank? Is there some way to skip this requirement, or is having a TIN absolutely mandatory for each partner? Does anyone know if there's a workaround for foreign partners without US tax IDs? This is our first year filing as a partnership with foreign members, and I don't want to mess this up. Any advice would be really appreciated!

You've run into a common issue with foreign partners. When filing Form 1065 with foreign partners, you cannot simply leave the TIN field blank on Schedule B-2. For foreign partners without a US TIN, they need to apply for and obtain an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN) using Form W-7, or if they're entities, they need an Employer Identification Number (EIN) using Form SS-4. If you're electing out of the centralized partnership audit regime, each partner must have a proper TIN. Without these identification numbers, you cannot properly complete Schedule B-2, and you'll likely be unable to elect out of the regime. One important note: The election to opt out is only available to partnerships with 100 or fewer eligible partners, and all partners must be eligible partners (individuals, C corporations, S corporations, estates of deceased partners, or certain types of foreign entities that would be treated as C corporations).

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Wesley Hallow

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Thanks for the info! So if our foreign partners don't want to get ITINs (they're pretty resistant to any US paperwork), does that mean we're stuck in the centralized partnership audit regime? What are the practical implications of that for a small partnership with minimal US activity?

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If your foreign partners refuse to obtain ITINs or EINs, then yes, you would be unable to elect out of the centralized partnership audit regime. The practical implications depend on your situation, but generally: Under the centralized regime, any IRS audit adjustments are assessed and collected at the partnership level rather than from individual partners. This means the partnership itself would be responsible for any additional tax liability resulting from an audit, calculated at the highest individual tax rate. If you have minimal US activity and properly report everything, the chances of an audit might be low. However, being unable to elect out does shift liability to the partnership rather than distributing it to the partners, which could be significant if issues arise.

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Ellie Lopez

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Don't forget another option - you could have your foreign partners apply for EINs instead of ITINs using Form SS-4 if they're entities rather than individuals. EIN applications for foreign entities can be done by phone in many cases, and they're typically processed much faster than ITINs. We have several foreign entity partners in our partnership, and they were able to get EINs within a couple of weeks. The key is having all their entity formation documents ready and translated to English if necessary.

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Lily Young

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Would this EIN approach work if our foreign partners are individuals and not entities? Or do individuals absolutely need to go the ITIN route with Form W-7? The ITIN process seems way more complicated with all the documentation requirements.

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Ellie Lopez

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Individuals must use the ITIN process with Form W-7. The EIN option is only available for actual business entities, not individuals conducting business. You're right that the ITIN process is more complex. It requires proof of identity (usually passport) and can take 7-11 weeks for processing. One option to consider is using a Certified Acceptance Agent who can verify original documents and help with the application process, potentially making it smoother for your foreign partners.

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Has anyone considered the implications of not opting out of the audit regime? My partnership decided to just stay in the centralized regime rather than going through the hassle of getting ITINs for our foreign partners. Our accountant said for small partnerships with straightforward returns and good documentation, the audit risk is minimal anyway.

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Paige Cantoni

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We made the same decision. The main difference is that if you're audited, adjustments are made at the partnership level rather than the partner level. So the partnership pays any additional tax directly rather than passing adjustments through to partners. For us, with very straightforward operations, we decided this was actually simpler than requiring our foreign partners to navigate the US tax ID system.

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Thanks for sharing your experience - that's basically what our accountant said too. We have really straightforward operations and good documentation, so we decided the small risk of audit wasn't worth forcing our partners through the ITIN process. Our accountant also mentioned that staying in the centralized regime might actually be beneficial since we won't have to deal with multiple partners potentially being audited individually. It's been working fine for us for the past two years.

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Lucas Bey

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Just wanted to add another perspective on this - we faced the exact same situation last year with our partnership that has two foreign individual partners. After weighing all the options discussed here, we ended up going the ITIN route, and it wasn't as bad as we initially feared. The key was getting started early and using a Certified Acceptance Agent (CAA) as mentioned by Ellie. Our CAA was able to verify the original documents without our partners having to mail their passports to the IRS, which was their biggest concern. The whole process took about 9 weeks from application to receiving the ITINs. What really helped was explaining to our foreign partners that the ITIN would be useful for other potential US tax situations in the future, not just this one partnership filing. Once they understood it was a one-time process that could benefit them long-term, they were more willing to go through with it. Now we can elect out of the centralized audit regime, which gives us more control and flexibility. For anyone still on the fence, I'd recommend starting the ITIN applications as soon as possible - the processing times can vary significantly depending on the time of year you apply.

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Yara Khoury

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This is such a helpful thread! I'm dealing with a similar situation where we have three foreign partners (two individuals and one entity) and I've been going back and forth on the best approach. Based on what everyone has shared, it sounds like we have a few viable options: 1. Get ITINs for the individuals and EIN for the entity to opt out of the centralized regime 2. Stay in the centralized regime and avoid the TIN requirements altogether 3. File with a statement explaining pending ITIN applications I'm leaning toward option 1 since Lucas mentioned the ITINs could be useful for future US tax situations. Does anyone know if there are specific advantages to opting out beyond just having the audit adjustments at the partner level instead of partnership level? Our partnership is fairly small but we do have some US real estate investments that might complicate things if we're audited. Also, for those who used Certified Acceptance Agents - any recommendations on how to find reputable ones? I want to make sure our foreign partners have a smooth experience with the process.

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