8832 Form - What identifying number should a foreign non-resident owner use?
I'm working on filling out Form 8832 (Entity Classification Election) for my business partner who's not a US resident. He's a co-owner of our LLC but lives in France. The form asks for an "identifying number of owner" but I'm completely lost on what to put here since he doesn't have a SSN or ITIN. I called the IRS and got different answers from two agents - one said leave it blank, another said we need to apply for an ITIN first before submitting the 8832. The instructions just say "identifying number" without explaining what a foreigner should use. Has anyone dealt with this specific issue on form 8832 for foreign owners? Our accountant is on vacation and we need to get this filed soon.
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Emma Thompson
You'll need to have your partner apply for an ITIN (Individual Taxpayer Identification Number) before completing Form 8832. The "identifying number" for a foreign individual is almost always going to be an ITIN. Your partner needs to complete Form W-7 (Application for IRS Individual Taxpayer Identification Number) to get this. There are a few ways to do this - either submit it along with the tax return that requires the ITIN, or apply through an IRS-authorized Acceptance Agent who can verify documents without sending originals to the IRS. If time is tight, another option is to leave that field blank initially and write "Foreign - ITIN Applied For" in the space, then submit the Form 8832 with a completed W-7 application attached. The IRS will process the W-7 first, assign the ITIN, and then process your 8832 form.
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Malik Jackson
•Does the foreign partner actually need to be physically present to apply for an ITIN? My partner is in Thailand and rarely comes to the US. Can I help them apply for it somehow?
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Emma Thompson
•No, the foreign partner doesn't need to be physically present in the US to apply for an ITIN. They can complete the W-7 form from abroad. There are several options for submitting the application. One way is to use an IRS Acceptance Agent located in their country - these are specially authorized individuals who can verify identity documents without sending originals. Your partner can find Acceptance Agents through the IRS website.
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Isabella Costa
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Diego Chavez
Another option nobody mentioned yet - if your foreign partner has already filed Form 5472 for any US business interests, they might already have an EIN they can use as their identifying number on Form 8832. Worth checking if you haven't already!
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NeonNebula
•Wait, I thought individuals had to use an ITIN, not an EIN? Aren't EINs only for the business entities themselves?
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Diego Chavez
•You're right that individuals typically use ITINs. I should have been clearer - I was referring to a situation where the foreign owner is actually another business entity rather than an individual person. If the foreign owner is a business (like a foreign corporation) rather than an individual person, then that foreign business may already have an EIN from previous US filing requirements like Form 5472. In that case, they would use that EIN on the 8832.
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Anastasia Kozlov
I've been working through this exact issue for our UK partners. One thing to be aware of - the ITIN application (Form W-7) requires valid proof of identity AND a valid tax purpose. Just wanting to file Form 8832 counts as a valid tax purpose, but make sure you include a signed letter explaining the need for the ITIN specifically for the 8832 filing. We made the mistake of not including this explanation initially and our application got rejected.
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Sean Kelly
•What kind of proof of identity did you end up using? My partner only has their national ID card and passport.
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Mason Kaczka
Just went through this nightmare myself with a Japanese business partner! After weeks of confusion and contradictory advice, here's what actually worked for us: 1. **Apply for ITIN first** - Don't try to file Form 8832 without it. The "leave it blank" advice some IRS agents give is outdated. 2. **Use Form W-7** with these specific documents for your French partner: - Certified copy of passport (must be certified by the issuing agency or notarized in the US) - Letter explaining the tax purpose: "ITIN needed for Form 8832 Entity Classification Election filing" 3. **Timeline reality check** - It takes 6-10 weeks to get the ITIN, so plan accordingly. You can't rush this process. 4. **Temporary workaround** - If you absolutely must file the 8832 before getting the ITIN, write "Applied For" in the identifying number field and attach the completed W-7, but this can cause processing delays. The key is being patient and doing it right the first time. I know it's frustrating when you need to get things filed quickly, but rushing this will only cause more headaches later. Your accountant will probably give you the same advice when they're back from vacation!
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