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Fatima Al-Hashimi

Help with Form 1065 Schedule B Question 4 - Late Filing Confusion

I'm really stressing out about my partnership tax return. I'm trying to fill out Form 1065 Schedule B Question 4, and I'm super confused. My situation is that I would satisfy all the conditions EXCEPT C because I'm filing late (missed the March 17th deadline, doing it on the 18th instead). From what I understand, I need to check "No" on the form since I don't meet ALL the conditions. But there's this note right underneath that I don't fully get. Can someone help clarify what I need to do here? I know I'm already late, but I want to make sure I'm answering this part correctly at least. This is our first year with the partnership and I'm handling all the tax stuff myself to save money, but now I'm second-guessing everything. Any insights would be appreciated!

You're on the right track! Form 1065 Schedule B Question 4 asks if the partnership satisfies all these conditions (including timely filing). Since you missed the March 17th deadline, you'll need to check "No" because you don't meet all the required conditions. The note below is probably explaining the consequences of checking "No" - typically it means your partnership doesn't qualify for certain simplified reporting requirements. When you check "No," you'll likely need to provide more detailed information in other parts of your return. Don't worry too much about the late filing for this specific question - you're answering it correctly by marking "No." However, be aware that there could be late filing penalties assessed separately from this question. For partnerships, the penalty is typically $210 per partner per month (or part of a month) that the return is late, for up to 12 months.

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Does this mean the penalty would be applied immediately on March 18th, or is there some grace period? Also, would this disqualify them from filing electronically now?

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The penalty technically starts accruing immediately after the deadline passes, so yes, filing on March 18th would mean you're subject to a penalty for one month (even though it's just one day late). There's generally no grace period for partnership returns. You can still file electronically even if you're late. The e-filing system doesn't close just because the deadline passed. In fact, I'd recommend e-filing as it's typically processed faster than paper returns, which might help minimize any cascading effects from the late filing.

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I had this same issue last year! For Schedule B Question 4, if you're late filing, you MUST check "No" because you don't satisfy all conditions. But here's the important part - this doesn't just affect that one question. When you check "No" for Question 4, you might need to file additional schedules and provide more information throughout the return. Specifically, you may need to complete Schedule K-1, Line 20, Code AH with additional information. The "simplified reporting requirements" no longer apply when you check "No" on Question 4.

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What additional info actually has to be reported when you select "No"? I'm in the same boat but none of the tax prep sites explain this clearly.

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The additional reporting mainly involves providing more detailed information about your partnership's income, deductions, and activities. You'll need to complete additional sections of Schedule K-1, particularly reporting codes in Line 20. The most common additional reporting includes more detailed breakdown of income sources, complete information about partnership activities, and potentially more documentation about certain deductions or credits. A big one is Code AH on Line 20 of Schedule K-1, which requires information about the partnership's tax basis capital accounts. When you don't qualify for simplified reporting, you need to provide more extensive documentation about the partnership's assets, liabilities, and capital structure. Many tax prep sites don't handle this well because it requires significant additional input that isn't required for partnerships that can answer "Yes" to Question 4.

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Just a quick tip - if you've missed the 1065 deadline like I did, filing as soon as possible is critical to minimize penalties. They calculate that $210 per partner per month even if you're only one day late in the month. And for Schedule B Question 4 specifically, don't overthink it - if you're late, you check "No" and move on. But be prepared for the extra reporting requirements that others have mentioned.

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Thanks all for the helpful advice! I went ahead and filed, checked "No" on Question 4, and made sure to complete all the additional reporting sections. I didn't realize how the late filing would cascade into requiring more detailed information throughout the return. I'm definitely setting calendar reminders for next year to avoid this headache again!

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Great to see you got it sorted out, Fatima! Your experience is a perfect example of why partnership tax returns can be so tricky for first-timers. That cascade effect you mentioned - where checking "No" on Question 4 triggers additional reporting requirements throughout the return - catches a lot of people off guard. For anyone else reading this thread who might be in a similar situation, here's a key takeaway: when you're dealing with Form 1065, missing any one of the conditions in Schedule B Question 4 (including the timely filing requirement) means you lose access to simplified reporting. This isn't just about one checkbox - it affects multiple schedules and can significantly increase the complexity of your return. The silver lining is that once you've been through this process once, next year's filing will feel much more manageable. You'll know what to expect and can plan accordingly. Setting those calendar reminders is definitely smart - I'd suggest setting them for at least a month before the deadline to give yourself plenty of time to gather documents and work through any issues.

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