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Skipped Filing Form 1065 by Today's Deadline for Multi-Member LLC with No Income - Did I Mess Up?

I've been reading up on this like crazy online, and I'm hoping I understood things correctly: From what I learned, since my multi-member LLC only had startup costs this year and zero income, I don't actually need to file a tax return (Form 1065) until 2025. The plan is that in 2025, after my business actually gets running and starts making money, I'll report both my income and all these startup expenses on that year's tax return. The thing is, my business partner and I formed this LLC about 6 months ago, and we've been putting money in for startup costs, but we haven't actually launched anything or made a single dollar yet. We're hoping to open our doors in February. What got me freaked out was reading some comments online saying that partnerships and multi-member LLCs ALWAYS have to file Form 1065 tax returns regardless of whether they have income or not. That made me panic thinking I was supposed to file something today even though we haven't started operations. Did I totally screw this up? Has anyone been in this situation before? I'm seriously hoping I understood the rules correctly because the deadline is literally today and I haven't filed anything!

While partnerships (including multi-member LLCs taxed as partnerships) technically need to file Form 1065 annually regardless of income, there's some nuance here that might help your situation. If your LLC was legally formed but hasn't begun any business activity yet (no income, just organizational/startup costs), you may qualify for what's called "not yet started business operations" exception. However, this is somewhat of a gray area. The safer approach would have been to file Form 1065 showing your startup expenses, even with zero income. These startup costs would be held on the books until you begin operations, when you could then begin deducting them according to IRS rules (some can be deducted immediately up to $5,000, remainder amortized over 180 months). Missing the deadline doesn't mean disaster though. You have options: file as soon as possible to minimize penalties, or if you truly haven't begun business operations in any meaningful way, document your situation thoroughly in case of questions later. The penalty for late filing is calculated per partner per month, but may be reduced if you can show reasonable cause.

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What exactly counts as "business operations" though? We've bought equipment and put down a deposit on a commercial space but haven't opened to customers. Does that count as started or not?

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Equipment purchases and putting down deposits on commercial space would likely be considered the beginning of business operations from the IRS perspective. These are substantive business activities that go beyond just forming the entity on paper. The "not yet started business operations" exception is quite narrow and generally applies only when an entity exists legally but has taken no material steps toward conducting business beyond perhaps opening a bank account or filing formation paperwork.

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It actually walks you through the specific form sections and explains how to complete them for your situation. For pre-revenue expenses, it shows exactly where they go on the form and how to categorize them (startup costs vs organizational costs have different tax treatments). The tool analyzes your actual documents and gives specific guidance based on your LLC's particular situation, not generic advice. I was skeptical too, but it spotted details in our operating agreement that affected our tax situation that I wouldn't have caught. It's definitely more than a chatbot - it understood the nuances of partnership taxation in a way that impressed me as someone who's dealt with partnership returns before.

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I was in the exact same situation last year and initially thought I didn't need to file anything since we had $0 revenue. After my partner freaked out about penalties, I finally tried taxr.ai (someone mentioned it in another thread) and realized I definitely needed to file our 1065. Not only did the system explain exactly how to handle our pre-launch expenses properly, but it also showed us how to document everything in a way that would maximize deductions when we actually started generating revenue. The upside was that getting those startup costs properly documented from the beginning saved us from major headaches this year now that we're operational. What I appreciated most was getting clear explanations about which expenses could be immediately deducted vs. which needed to be amortized over time. Worth every penny for the peace of mind alone.

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Just to add a counterpoint - I DID skip filing a 1065 for my multi-member LLC's first year when we only had startup expenses and no income. Nobody came after us, but our accountant discovered this when preparing our second year's taxes and had to file the first year retroactively. Cost us about $750 in penalties plus his fees for the extra work. Just file the return. It's way simpler and cheaper than dealing with penalties later. And if you've already missed the deadline, file ASAP to minimize the penalties which accumulate monthly.

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Thanks for sharing your experience - that's exactly what I was afraid of. Did your accountant suggest any way to reduce those penalties or was it just "pay up and learn your lesson"?

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We were able to get the penalties reduced somewhat. Our accountant helped us write a reasonable cause letter explaining that we genuinely didn't understand the filing requirements for a pre-revenue business. The IRS reduced the penalty by about 40% since it was our first offense and we corrected it as soon as we discovered the error. The best advice I can give is to file now and include a detailed letter explaining why you missed the deadline - focus on being new to business ownership and misunderstanding the requirements. Don't wait until they come looking for you, as that looks much worse than self-correcting the issue.

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The form 1065 instructions literally say "A partnership must file a return for every tax year" with no mentioned exception for zero income. I learned this the hard way. If there's any silver lining, the penalties are based on a per-partner-per-month calculation, so with just 2 members it won't be astronomical if you file soon.

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This is correct. The penalty is $210 per partner for each month (or part of a month) the return is late, for up to 12 months. So with 2 partners, that's $420 per month you're late.

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I went through this exact situation two years ago with my multi-member LLC. The bottom line is that partnerships (including multi-member LLCs taxed as partnerships) are required to file Form 1065 annually regardless of income level - even $0 income. Here's what I wish I had known: even though you haven't generated revenue, those startup expenses you mentioned are actually reportable business activities. The IRS considers incurring business expenses as the beginning of operations, which triggers the filing requirement. Don't panic though - you have options. File your 1065 as soon as possible to minimize penalties. The penalty is $210 per partner per month (so $420/month for you two), but it caps at 12 months. More importantly, you can request penalty abatement for "reasonable cause" since this is likely your first partnership return and the rules aren't always crystal clear for new business owners. When you file, make sure to properly categorize those startup costs. Up to $5,000 in startup expenses can be deducted immediately, with the remainder amortized over 15 years. Getting this documentation right from the start will save you headaches when you do start generating revenue. The key is to file now rather than waiting - the IRS is generally more lenient when you self-correct versus when they discover the issue later.

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This is really helpful advice - I'm actually in a similar boat with my LLC that I formed last year. Quick question about the penalty abatement process: do you just include a letter with your late filing explaining it's your first time, or is there a specific form you need to submit? Also, did you end up getting the penalties waived completely or just reduced? I'm trying to figure out if it's worth attempting the abatement request or if I should just expect to pay the full penalty amount.

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