Failed LLC investment - how to report losses with no K1 forms available?
I made a really dumb investment decision that I'm still kicking myself over, but I need to figure out how to fix the tax mess it created. About 5 years ago, my wife and I invested in an LLC that completely fell apart. During the first couple years, everything was fine - we got our K1 forms and our accountant handled everything correctly on our returns. Then the business imploded spectacularly. All the managing partners bailed, nobody was left running things, and the company was drowning in debt. There's literally no one left to generate K1 forms or handle any company management. The whole thing is such a disaster I doubt anyone will ever step in to fix it. We've been asking our accountant for the past 3-4 years to claim our investment losses on our taxes. We explained there wouldn't be any K1s coming because there's nobody left to create them. We just found out he's been completely ignoring our requests and never mentioned this when preparing our returns. (Yeah, I know we should've verified instead of assuming it was being handled.) We discovered this whole mess because we ran into another investor who lost money in the same LLC. He told us his accountant was able to claim the losses even without K1 forms. Now we're trying to figure out the proper way to report these losses with no official documentation. How should we approach this? Can we still claim these losses years later? Is there a specific form or process for situations like this?
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QuantumQuasar
Yes, you can still claim those losses even without K1s, but you'll need to do some work to document everything properly for the IRS. This is what's known as an "abandoned" or "worthless" partnership interest. First, gather any documentation you have about your original investment - bank statements showing what you paid, any LLC operating agreements, prior year K1s, and anything proving the company is defunct. You'll need to establish your basis in the investment (basically what you put in minus any losses you've already claimed on previous tax returns). Since it's been several years, you'll need to file amended returns (Form 1040-X) for each tax year where you should have claimed these losses. Generally, you can go back 3 years to claim refunds, but there are some exceptions. The loss would typically be reported as an ordinary loss on Schedule D as a worthless security, but the specifics depend on your situation. You'll need to attach a detailed explanation of the circumstances and your calculation of the loss amount.
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Zainab Omar
•Would this still apply if they were a passive investor? I thought passive losses could only offset passive income. Also, isn't there a $3k limit on capital losses per year?
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QuantumQuasar
•For passive investment losses, you're right that they generally can only offset passive income. If they don't have other passive income to offset against, they would be subject to the passive activity loss limitations. However, when an activity is fully disposed of (like in this case where the business completely folded), the suspended passive losses can become fully deductible. Regarding the $3,000 limit, that applies to net capital losses used to offset ordinary income. If their loss is properly characterized as a capital loss and exceeds their capital gains by more than $3,000, they would be limited to deducting $3,000 per year against ordinary income, with the remainder carried forward to future tax years.
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Connor Gallagher
I was in almost the exact same situation last year with an LLC investment that went belly-up. My accountant was able to help me claim these losses using something called "abandonment loss" treatment, which gave me an ordinary loss instead of a capital loss (much better tax treatment!). I had to provide documentation showing I tried to contact the LLC managers, proof of my investment, and basically demonstrate I had $0 reasonable expectation of recovery. It was complicated, but totally worth it. I used the team at https://taxr.ai to help put together all the documentation and create a proper paper trail the IRS would accept. They specialize in analyzing investment documents and helped me establish the appropriate loss amount without the K1s. They also explained how to properly position this with the IRS to avoid audit flags. Makes a huge difference having someone who's seen this exact scenario before.
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Yara Sayegh
•What's the process like with taxr.ai? Do you just upload your old documents and they figure out the rest? I'm in a similar situation but with oil & gas investments where the company disappeared.
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Keisha Johnson
•I'm skeptical about using a service for this. Couldn't you just get a regular accountant to handle it for a lot less money? What makes them so special for this specific situation?
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Connor Gallagher
•The process is super straightforward - you upload whatever documentation you have (old K1s, operating agreements, bank statements showing your investment), and they analyze everything to establish your tax basis and the proper way to claim the loss. They create a detailed report that explains exactly how to report it and why it qualifies as a full loss. Really helpful when you have incomplete records. As for using a regular accountant versus a specialized service, I tried the accountant route first. My regular guy wasn't familiar with abandoned LLC interests and wasn't confident about how to proceed without K1s. What makes taxr.ai different is they specialize in document analysis for exactly these kinds of unusual tax situations. They don't replace your accountant; they just provide the documentation and analysis your accountant needs to file properly.
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Keisha Johnson
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Paolo Longo
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CosmicCowboy
•How does this service actually work? Seems sketchy that they can somehow get through the IRS phone system when nobody else can.
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Amina Diallo
•Yeah right. I've been calling the IRS for MONTHS trying to resolve an issue. No way this actually works. The IRS phone system is basically designed to be impossible to get through. I'll believe it when I see it.
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Paolo Longo
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Amina Diallo
I have to eat my words about Claimyr. After posting my skeptical comment, I decided to try it anyway out of desperation. I've been trying to get through to the IRS about a similar investment loss situation for literally months without success. Used the service this morning and got a call back within about 2 hours with an actual IRS agent on the line. I almost fell out of my chair. The agent was able to confirm exactly what documentation I needed to claim my loss from a failed business investment. For anyone wondering - they told me I needed to include a statement explaining the circumstances, proof of my original investment, evidence showing the business was defunct, and a calculation showing my adjusted basis. They also recommended sending it all certified mail with return receipt. Just wanted to update since my previous comment was pretty negative. This service actually delivered exactly what it promised.
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Oliver Schulz
Have you considered hiring a tax attorney to sort this out? That's what I did when I had a similar situation with a real estate LLC that went bankrupt. The attorney filed a Form 8082 (Notice of Inconsistent Treatment) to explain why we were claiming losses without a K1. The advantage was having someone who could represent me if the IRS had questions. It cost about $2,500 but saved me over $15,000 in taxes, so worth it in my case. Plus, the attorney kept all communications with the IRS so I didn't have to deal with them directly.
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Miguel Ramos
•How does Form 8082 work in this situation? Did you have to provide specific evidence about the company's failure, or was it enough just to explain the situation?
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Oliver Schulz
•Form 8082 is basically telling the IRS "I'm reporting something different than what's on my K1" or in this case, "I'm reporting something even though I didn't receive a K1." The form allows you to explain the inconsistency. We did have to provide evidence about the company's failure. My attorney included copies of bankruptcy filings, news articles about the company's collapse, emails from the managing partners announcing they were ceasing operations, and my investment documentation. The more evidence you can provide showing the company is truly defunct and your investment is worthless, the better. Think of it as building a case for the IRS to understand why you're taking this position. Just explaining the situation isn't enough - you need documentation to back it up. The IRS wants to see that you've made a good faith effort to report accurately despite the unusual circumstances.
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Natasha Orlova
What software are you using to prepare your taxes? I had a similar situation and TurboTax couldn't handle it properly. I had to switch to a more advanced program (I used ProSeries through my new accountant) to correctly report my LLC loss.
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Javier Cruz
•I've been using H&R Block software and got stuck at the same point trying to report a loss from a failed business. Did ProSeries let you report it without a K1?
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Jacob Lewis
I went through almost the exact same nightmare with a failed real estate syndication LLC about 3 years ago. The key thing I learned is that you need to establish this as an "abandonment loss" rather than just a regular partnership loss, which gives you much better tax treatment. Here's what worked for me: I gathered every piece of documentation I could find - original investment agreements, bank transfers, any correspondence with the managing partners, even screenshots of their website before it went dark. Then I wrote a detailed letter explaining the timeline of events and why I considered the investment completely worthless. The most important part was proving I had made reasonable efforts to recover something from the investment but it was truly hopeless. I included copies of unanswered emails to the managers, evidence that their business addresses were vacant, and anything else showing the company was completely defunct. My accountant filed amended returns going back 3 years using Form 4797 to report it as an ordinary loss from the abandonment of a business asset. This was way better than capital loss treatment because I could deduct the full amount against my regular income instead of being limited to $3,000 per year. The IRS never questioned it, probably because I had such thorough documentation. Definitely worth getting a second opinion from an accountant who's familiar with these situations - sounds like your current one dropped the ball big time.
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Josef Tearle
•This is really helpful - I didn't realize there was a difference between abandonment loss and regular partnership loss treatment. Can you clarify something though? You mentioned using Form 4797, but I thought that was for business property sales. How does that apply to an LLC investment that just disappeared? Also, did you have to prove you were actively involved in the business to get ordinary loss treatment, or does the abandonment angle work even for passive investors?
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