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Does the federal tax table already include Social Security and Medicare tax in the calculation?

I'm trying to figure out how these tax tables work. From what I understand, we're supposed to pay around 6.2% for Social Security tax and roughly 1.45% for Medicare tax. When I look at the federal tax table (starting on page 78) and see the amount of taxes I owe, does that number already include what I need to pay for Social Security and Medicare? Or are those calculated separately from what the table shows? I'm trying to budget properly for next year and want to make sure I'm accounting for everything correctly. This is my first year as a full-time employee and the tax stuff is a bit overwhelming!

The federal tax tables in the IRS instruction booklet only show federal income tax, not Social Security or Medicare taxes (which together are called FICA taxes). These are calculated separately and aren't part of what you see in those tables. For most employees, your employer withholds these taxes automatically - 6.2% for Social Security (on wages up to $168,600 for 2025) and 1.45% for Medicare (on all wages, plus an additional 0.9% on wages over $200,000 for single filers). You can see these listed separately on your pay stub. If you're self-employed, you'll pay both the employer and employee portions through self-employment tax (12.4% for Social Security and 2.9% for Medicare), which is calculated on Schedule SE.

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Thanks for explaining! So if I'm looking at my total tax bill for the year, I need to add the amount from the tax table PLUS the Social Security and Medicare taxes? Does this mean when I file my taxes I'll have to calculate and pay these separately?

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The amount you calculate from the tax table is just your federal income tax. Social Security and Medicare taxes are generally handled through withholding throughout the year if you're an employee. When you file your tax return, you're primarily reconciling your federal income tax - the amount from the tax tables. The Social Security and Medicare taxes that were withheld are reported on your W-2, but you don't typically need to recalculate them when filing. They've already been paid through your paycheck withholdings.

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Does the software actually explain the calculations or just do them for you? I want to understand how this all works, not just have something spit out numbers.

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I'm skeptical of AI tax tools. How accurate is this compared to like TurboTax or H&R Block? Can it handle complicated situations like self-employment or investment income?

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Just to add to what others have said - those tax tables can be confusing! Another thing to keep in mind is that those tables show your tax BEFORE credits are applied. So your actual tax bill might be: Amount from tax table - tax credits + Social Security and Medicare taxes. And if you're self-employed, dont forget you'll pay double the SS and Medicare since you're covering both the employer and employee portions!

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Wait, so if I get the Child Tax Credit does that reduce what I pay for Social Security too? Or just the income tax part?

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Tax credits only reduce your income tax liability (the amount from the tax tables). They don't reduce your Social Security or Medicare tax obligations at all. This is really important to understand, especially for self-employed folks. Even if you have enough tax credits to reduce your federal income tax to zero, you'll still owe the self-employment tax for Social Security and Medicare.

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The way I remember it: Tax TABLE = federal income tax only. Look at your paystub and you'll see separate line items for: - Federal income tax (this is from the tables) - Social Security (6.2%) - Medicare (1.45%) Honestly, I created a simple spreadsheet to track my estimated taxes throughout the year. I enter my income and it calculates all three taxes separately to give me a better picture of my total tax burden.

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Do you mind sharing that spreadsheet template? I'm trying to do better tax planning for next year.

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Great question! I was in the same boat when I first started working full-time. The federal tax tables only show your income tax - they don't include Social Security (6.2%) or Medicare (1.45%) taxes at all. Think of it this way: you have three separate federal taxes coming out of your paycheck: 1. Federal income tax (what the tables show) 2. Social Security tax (6.2% up to the wage cap) 3. Medicare tax (1.45% on all wages) When you're budgeting, add all three together to get your total federal tax burden. The good news is that if you're a W-2 employee, your employer handles the withholding automatically and you'll see each tax listed separately on your paystub. The tax tables are just for reconciling your income tax when you file - the FICA taxes (Social Security + Medicare) are already "settled up" through your payroll withholding throughout the year. Welcome to the working world - it gets easier once you see how it all flows together!

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This is such a helpful breakdown! I wish someone had explained it this clearly when I started working. One thing I'd add for budgeting - don't forget about state taxes too if you live in a state that has income tax. That's another separate calculation on top of these three federal taxes. Also, if you get a big refund or owe a lot when you file, it's usually because your federal income tax withholding was off - the Social Security and Medicare are almost always withheld correctly since they're straight percentages of your wages.

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As someone who was completely lost on this topic last year, I can confirm what everyone's saying - the tax tables are ONLY for federal income tax. I made the mistake of thinking that was my total tax bill and was shocked when I looked at my actual paystub! What really helped me understand this was looking at my year-end W-2. Box 1 shows your wages subject to federal income tax, Box 2 shows the actual federal income tax withheld (this should roughly match what you'd calculate from the tax tables), then Box 4 shows Social Security tax withheld and Box 6 shows Medicare tax withheld - all completely separate amounts. So when you're budgeting, yes, you need to account for all three taxes. The silver lining is that as an employee, you don't have to worry about calculating the FICA taxes yourself - your employer does that math and takes it out automatically. You just need to make sure your federal income tax withholding is on track by adjusting your W-4 if needed. The tax filing process will make a lot more sense once you see how these different taxes are handled separately on your return!

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This is exactly the kind of explanation I needed! Looking at the W-2 breakdown makes so much more sense than trying to figure out why the numbers didn't add up. I just pulled out my last paystub and you're right - there are three separate federal tax lines that I never really paid attention to before. One follow-up question though - when people talk about "tax brackets" (like being in the 22% bracket), is that referring to just the federal income tax rate, or does it somehow factor in the Social Security and Medicare percentages too? I want to make sure I understand what my actual "tax rate" is when I'm comparing job offers or planning raises.

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Great question! When people refer to tax brackets (like the 22% bracket), they're talking ONLY about federal income tax rates. Those percentages don't include Social Security or Medicare taxes at all. So if someone says they're "in the 22% tax bracket," that just means their last dollar of income is taxed at 22% for federal income tax purposes. But their total effective federal tax rate would be higher once you add in the 6.2% Social Security and 1.45% Medicare taxes. For example, if you're solidly in the 22% bracket, your total federal tax burden on additional income would actually be around 29.65% (22% + 6.2% + 1.45%). This is super important to understand when comparing job offers or planning for raises - that extra income isn't just taxed at your marginal income tax rate! One caveat: Social Security tax only applies up to the wage cap ($168,600 for 2025), so for very high earners, the effective rate changes once you hit that threshold.

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This thread has been incredibly helpful! As someone who just switched from being a contractor to a W-2 employee, I was making the same mistake of thinking the tax tables showed my total federal tax burden. One thing I learned the hard way during my contractor days - if you're ever self-employed or doing freelance work on the side, you'll need to calculate and pay the Social Security and Medicare taxes yourself through self-employment tax on Schedule SE. That's when you pay both the employee AND employer portions (12.4% for Social Security + 2.9% for Medicare), which really adds up. But as a regular employee now, seeing those three separate line items on my paystub makes everything much clearer. The tax tables are just one piece of the puzzle, and understanding that distinction is crucial for proper tax planning. Thanks everyone for breaking this down so clearly!

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This is such valuable insight about the self-employment side! I'm actually considering doing some freelance work on the side of my regular job, and I had no idea about the double Social Security and Medicare burden for self-employment income. So if I understand correctly, any 1099 income I earn would be subject to the full 15.3% self-employment tax (12.4% + 2.9%) on top of regular federal income tax? That's a huge difference from my W-2 job where I only pay half of those rates. Definitely something to factor into freelance pricing! Do you happen to know if there's a minimum threshold for self-employment income where you have to start paying SE tax, or is it literally any amount of freelance earnings?

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