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Dmitry Popov

Are FICA taxes (Social Security and Medicare) counted towards federal or state tax liability?

I've been struggling to understand how FICA taxes fit into the overall tax picture. Are Social Security and Medicare taxes considered part of federal taxes or state taxes? Or are they completely separate from both? I recently got a promotion that puts me at around $245k per year, and I'm trying to budget properly. When I use those online tax calculators to estimate my federal tax burden, should I be adding FICA taxes on top of that amount? I need to get a clear understanding of my total tax liability so I don't end up with any surprises. Just trying to make sure I'm accounting for everything correctly in my budget. Appreciate any insights!

Ava Rodriguez

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FICA taxes (Social Security and Medicare) are federal taxes, but they're separate from your federal income tax. They're not included in the calculations when people typically talk about "federal taxes" in casual conversation. Here's how it breaks down: When you earn $245k, you'll pay three distinct types of federal taxes: 1) Federal income tax (based on tax brackets) 2) Social Security tax (6.2% on wages up to $168,600 in 2025) 3) Medicare tax (1.45% on all wages, plus an additional 0.9% on income over $200,000) Most online tax calculators focus on federal income tax only, so yes, you would need to calculate and add FICA separately. For your income level, you'll hit the Social Security wage cap, meaning you'll pay 6.2% on the first $168,600 only. But Medicare tax applies to all your earnings, with that additional 0.9% surcharge on amounts over $200,000. State taxes are completely separate from all of these federal taxes.

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Miguel Ortiz

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Thanks for the breakdown! I'm a bit confused though - when I look at my paystub, I see all these deductions already taken out. Does that mean I don't need to worry about calculating them separately since my employer is handling it? And does the $168,600 cap reset every year?

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Ava Rodriguez

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Your employer is already withholding all these taxes from your paychecks, so you don't need to calculate them separately for your regular wages. The withholdings you see on your paystub are your employer handling these obligations throughout the year. Yes, the Social Security wage base ($168,600 for 2025) resets every January 1st. The amount typically increases each year based on national average wage changes. Once you hit that cap during the year, you'll notice your take-home pay increases a bit since the 6.2% Social Security tax will temporarily stop being withheld until the new year.

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Zainab Khalil

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QuantumQuest

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Does it actually work with complex situations? I'm in a similar boat ($265k) but I also have some 1099 income on the side where I need to pay self-employment tax, which is basically double the FICA rate. Would this handle that mix of income sources?

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Connor Murphy

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I'm always skeptical of these tax tools. How is this different from TurboTax or other tax software? Does it actually give advice or just show you numbers you already know?

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Zainab Khalil

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It handles mixed income sources really well. I actually have some freelance income too, and it separated out my W-2 income from my 1099 work and calculated the self-employment tax correctly. It showed me the higher FICA equivalent (both employer and employee portions) that I needed to pay on the freelance income. The main difference from regular tax software is it's focused on analysis and planning rather than just filing. It suggested specific tax moves based on my situation, like increasing 401k contributions to reduce taxable income and showed exactly how much I'd save by doing that. Not just generic advice but dollar amounts specific to my tax situation.

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QuantumQuest

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Yara Haddad

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If you're trying to understand your total tax picture, you might also run into issues contacting the IRS with questions - their phone lines are IMPOSSIBLE to get through. After spending days trying to reach someone about how my FICA taxes were being calculated on my paystub (something seemed off), I found https://claimyr.com and watched their demo at https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c They basically hold your place in the IRS phone queue and call you when an agent is about to answer. I was skeptical, but I got through to an actual IRS person who confirmed there was indeed a withholding error happening with my Social Security cap calculation. Saved me from overpaying! Thought this might help if you need to clarify anything specific about your tax situation directly with the IRS.

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How does that even work? Sounds kind of sketchy... do you have to give them personal info or something? I've been trying to reach the IRS for weeks about a similar issue.

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Paolo Conti

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Yeah right. Nobody gets through to the IRS. I've been trying for 3 months about an incorrect FICA withholding amount my employer won't fix. If this actually worked, the IRS would have shut it down.

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Yara Haddad

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It works by using their system to navigate the IRS phone tree and wait in the queue for you. When an agent is about to pick up, they connect the call to your phone. No personal tax info is shared with them - they're just handling the waiting part. I was skeptical too! But they can't magically create openings in the IRS queue - they just wait in line for you. The IRS doesn't care who's waiting on hold, they just answer calls in the order received. It's basically like having someone physically wait in line for you at a government office.

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Paolo Conti

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I have to eat my words from my skeptical comment earlier. After waiting for months trying to reach the IRS about my employer's FICA withholding error, I tried that Claimyr service out of desperation. Got a call back in about 45 minutes with an actual IRS agent on the line! The agent confirmed my employer was calculating the Social Security cap incorrectly after I changed jobs mid-year. They explained exactly what form I needed to submit to get the excess FICA tax refunded (I didn't have to wait until filing my annual return). Would have taken me another 3 months of trying to get this resolved without being able to speak to someone. Sometimes the simplest solutions are the best ones.

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Amina Sow

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One important thing to understand about FICA taxes that nobody mentioned yet - unlike federal income tax where you can get deductions and credits, there are very few ways to reduce your FICA tax burden legally. The main exceptions are: 1) Contributing to a Health Savings Account (HSA) 2) Contributing to a dependent care FSA 3) Some medical premium payments These come out pre-FICA as well as pre-income tax. But things like your 401k contributions - while they reduce your federal income tax - don't reduce your FICA taxes. That's a common misconception.

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Dmitry Popov

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Oh that's super helpful! I actually have an HSA through my employer. So you're saying my HSA contributions reduce not just my income tax but also what I pay for Social Security and Medicare? Does this apply to the additional 0.9% Medicare tax too since I'm over the threshold?

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Amina Sow

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Yes, HSA contributions through your employer's payroll reduce both income tax and FICA taxes (Social Security and Medicare). This is one reason why HSAs are considered triple-tax advantaged - tax-free contributions, tax-free growth, and tax-free withdrawals for qualified medical expenses. Regarding the additional 0.9% Medicare surtax - yes, HSA contributions can help reduce exposure to this as well since they lower your FICA wage base. However, since you're earning $245k and the threshold is $200k for single filers, you'll still have income subject to the additional Medicare tax even after maxing out an HSA (which has a contribution limit of $4,150 for individual coverage in 2025).

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GalaxyGazer

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Just FYI, for 2025 the Social Security wage cap is $168,600 (someone above mentioned this), but wanted to clarify that the Medicare portion of FICA (1.45%) applies to ALL of your income no matter how high. Then there's that additional 0.9% Medicare tax that kicks in after $200k if ur single. I earn about 230k and the Medicare tax is the one that surprises ppl when they get to higher income levels. U never stop paying it no matter how much u make!

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Oliver Wagner

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Is there a wage cap for the additional 0.9% Medicare tax? Or does that also apply to all income above the $200k threshold with no limit?

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