Are social security and medicare contributions considered part of federal income tax when calculating tax brackets?
So I think I'm totally misunderstanding how tax brackets work and hoping someone can help clear this up. I'm trying to figure out if social security and medicare contributions count towards federal income tax calculations. Here's my confusion - I'm pretty sure I'm in the 22% tax bracket this year. When I'm looking at my paystub and figuring out where I'll end up for the year, should I be adding up the federal income tax PLUS social security PLUS medicare to determine if I'm hitting that 22% correctly? Or am I only supposed to be looking at the federal income tax contribution by itself? I always thought they were all bundled together as "federal taxes" but my coworker was saying they're completely separate things. Hoping someone can explain this in simple terms because I'm honestly lost. Thanks in advance for any help!
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Luca Ricci
Social Security and Medicare taxes (collectively called FICA taxes) are completely separate from your federal income tax. They aren't part of your income tax bracket calculation at all. When you're looking at your paystub, you'll see separate lines for: - Federal income tax (this is what your tax bracket applies to) - Social Security tax (currently 6.2% of your wages up to a certain limit) - Medicare tax (currently 1.45% of all your wages, with an additional 0.9% for high earners) Your 22% tax bracket only refers to the federal income tax portion. The FICA taxes are flat percentages that don't change based on your income bracket (except for the Social Security wage cap and the additional Medicare tax for high earners). So when you're calculating whether you're in the 22% bracket, you're only looking at your federal income tax, not the FICA taxes.
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Nia Williams
•Thanks for explaining! So when people talk about being in the "22% tax bracket" they're only referring to federal income tax? And the Social Security and Medicare taxes are just additional separate taxes that everyone pays regardless of their bracket?
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Luca Ricci
•Exactly! When people talk about tax brackets (10%, 12%, 22%, etc.), they're only referring to federal income tax. The Social Security tax is a flat 6.2% on earnings up to the wage base limit ($168,600 for 2025), and Medicare is a flat 1.45% on all earnings (plus the additional 0.9% on high incomes). These FICA taxes are completely separate calculations from your income tax bracket. They're mandatory payroll taxes that fund specific programs, while federal income tax funds general government operations.
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Aisha Mohammed
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ThunderBolt7
One thing that's important to understand is that while FICA taxes (Social Security and Medicare) are separate from income tax, they still affect your overall tax burden. For 2025, you're paying: - 6.2% for Social Security (on first $168,600) - 1.45% for Medicare (plus 0.9% additional on high incomes) - Plus your federal income tax rate So when budgeting, you need to account for all of these, even though only the federal income tax is what determines your "tax bracket.
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Jamal Edwards
•Does your employer also pay FICA taxes on your behalf? I thought I heard somewhere that employers match what employees pay for Social Security and Medicare.
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ThunderBolt7
•Yes, your employer pays an equal amount of FICA taxes - they also pay 6.2% for Social Security and 1.45% for Medicare on your wages. This is completely separate from what's withheld from your paycheck. This is why self-employed people pay what's called "self-employment tax" of 15.3% - they're essentially paying both the employer and employee portions of FICA taxes (though they do get to deduct half of that amount as a business expense).
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Mei Chen
Another way to think about this: your pay stub might show deductions like: - Federal Income Tax: $X (this is what your tax bracket applies to) - Social Security: 6.2% of your gross pay (up to limit) - Medicare: 1.45% of your gross pay The tax brackets (10%, 12%, 22%, etc.) only apply to that first number. FICA taxes are fixed percentages that don't change based on income brackets.
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Liam O'Sullivan
•This makes sense, but now I'm confused about state income tax. Is that also separate from the federal tax brackets? I'm in California if that matters.
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Mei Chen
•Yes, state income tax is completely separate from federal tax brackets. California has its own progressive tax bracket system that's independent of the federal system. So you'll pay: 1. Federal income tax (based on federal brackets) 2. Social Security and Medicare (fixed percentages) 3. California state income tax (based on CA state brackets) Each has its own separate calculation and rules. California's highest rate is actually higher than the federal rate for high earners!
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Sofia Peña
This is such a common confusion! I made the same mistake for years. The key thing to remember is that tax brackets are ONLY for federal income tax - they have nothing to do with FICA taxes (Social Security and Medicare). Think of it this way: when you hear someone say "I'm in the 22% tax bracket," they're only talking about the federal income tax portion of their paycheck deductions. The Social Security (6.2%) and Medicare (1.45%) taxes are completely separate flat rates that everyone pays regardless of their income level or tax bracket. So if you're trying to verify you're in the 22% bracket, you only look at your federal income tax withholding, not the total of all your tax deductions. Your coworker was absolutely right - they're separate things, even though they all come out of your paycheck at the same time. It's also worth noting that tax brackets are marginal, meaning only the income that falls within each bracket gets taxed at that rate. So being "in the 22% bracket" doesn't mean all your income is taxed at 22% - just the portion that exceeds the lower bracket thresholds.
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