Understanding Employer Payroll Taxes vs Employee Contribution (7.65% Medicare/FICA)
So I just started a new job and I'm looking at my first paycheck. I'm trying to wrap my head around how these payroll taxes work. I see the 7.65% coming out of my check for FICA/Medicare, but I keep hearing that employers also pay 7.65% for payroll taxes. Does this employer portion (7.65%) of payroll taxes (Medicare, etc) actually come out of my gross pay somehow? Or is this completely separate and the company pays this 7.65% on top of my salary from their own pocket? I'm trying to understand if my actual compensation costs my employer more than just my salary. Like if I make $60,000, are they actually paying $60,000 + additional payroll taxes? Or is the 7.65% they pay somehow coming from my $60,000? Thanks for explaining this - I've tried to figure it out online but keep getting confused by the terminology.
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Isabella Costa
Your employer pays the 7.65% FICA taxes (Social Security and Medicare taxes) in addition to your salary, not from your salary. This is completely separate from what's deducted from your paycheck. Here's how it works: If your salary is $60,000, you'll see 7.65% ($4,590) deducted from your paychecks throughout the year. But your employer also pays an additional $4,590 (7.65% of $60,000) directly to the government. So the total FICA contribution for you is actually $9,180, with half coming from you and half from your employer. This employer portion is considered part of your total compensation package, but it's not money you ever see in your paycheck. It's an additional cost your employer bears when hiring you, along with any other benefits they might offer like health insurance contributions, 401(k) matching, etc.
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Ravi Malhotra
•So does that mean if I'm self-employed I have to pay the full 15.3% since I'm basically both the employer and employee? And is this why people talk about the "employer burden" being more than just salary?
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Isabella Costa
•Yes, when you're self-employed, you do pay the full 15.3% (though it's called Self-Employment Tax rather than FICA) because you're essentially both the employer and employee. You're correct that this is exactly why the "employer burden" or "fully loaded cost" of an employee is significantly more than just their salary. The employer portion of FICA is just one component of the additional costs. Employers also typically pay for unemployment insurance, workers' compensation insurance, and potentially health insurance, retirement contributions, paid time off, and other benefits. When companies calculate the true cost of hiring someone, they often estimate that benefits and mandatory contributions add anywhere from 20% to 40% on top of the base salary.
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Freya Christensen
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Omar Farouk
•Does it work for self-employed people too? I'm a freelancer and always confused about how much to set aside for taxes.
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Chloe Davis
•I'm kinda skeptical of these tax tools... do they actually give advice or just generic info you could find on the IRS website? And is it secure to upload pay stubs?
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Freya Christensen
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Omar Farouk
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AstroAlpha
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Diego Chavez
•How does this service even work? I don't get it... do they have some special connection to the IRS or something?
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Chloe Davis
•Yeah right, nobody gets through to the IRS that fast. This sounds like some kind of scam to me. The IRS phone system is completely broken - no way there's a "magic" solution.
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AstroAlpha
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Chloe Davis
OK I need to eat some humble pie here. After my skeptical comment earlier, I decided to try Claimyr myself because I've been trying for WEEKS to reach the IRS about a payroll tax notice my small business received. I seriously couldn't believe it - they got me through to an actual IRS agent in about 35 minutes. After I had wasted hours and hours trying on my own! The agent was able to explain that there was an error in how we calculated the employer portion of Medicare tax (part of that 7.65% we're talking about). Turns out we had been calculating it incorrectly for one highly compensated employee who went over the Social Security wage base. We needed to still pay the 1.45% Medicare tax on all wages even though the Social Security part caps out. Saved us from potential penalties and more incorrect filings. Consider me a convert!
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Anastasia Smirnova
Just to add some actual numbers to this discussion - for 2025, the employer payroll tax breaks down as: - 6.2% for Social Security (on the first $168,600 of wages) - 1.45% for Medicare (on all wages) - Plus an additional 0.9% Medicare surtax for employees earning over $200,000 So the total is indeed 7.65% for most employees, paid by BOTH the employer and the employee separately. The employer's contribution never touches the employee's paycheck.
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Sean O'Brien
•Wait, so if I make $175,000 this year, my employer doesn't pay the 6.2% Social Security tax on my entire salary? Just on the first $168,600?
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Anastasia Smirnova
•That's exactly right. For 2025, the Social Security tax only applies to the first $168,600 of wages (this is called the Social Security wage base, and it changes slightly each year). So if you make $175,000, your employer will pay 6.2% on just the first $168,600, which comes to $10,453.20 for Social Security. However, the 1.45% Medicare portion applies to your entire $175,000 salary with no cap, which comes to $2,537.50. So your employer's total FICA contribution for you would be $12,990.70, not the full 7.65% of your entire salary.
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Zara Shah
I'm still confused about this... if my W-2 shows $50,000 in Box 1 (Wages, tips, other compensation), does that include the employer portion of FICA taxes or not?
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Isabella Costa
•No, Box 1 on your W-2 does NOT include the employer portion of FICA taxes. Box 1 shows your taxable wages after certain pre-tax deductions (like traditional 401k contributions or health insurance premiums). The employer's 7.65% FICA contribution is completely separate and isn't reported on your W-2 at all because it's not part of your taxable income. It's an additional cost to your employer that they pay directly to the government on your behalf, but it never appears on your tax forms or paystubs.
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Zara Shah
•Thanks for explaining! That makes sense. So basically my employer is paying more for my employment than what shows up in my gross pay. That actually makes me feel a bit better about my compensation package knowing there's this additional 7.65% being contributed on my behalf.
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Daryl Bright
This is such a great question and the responses here have been really helpful! I just wanted to add one more perspective as someone who recently made the transition from employee to contractor. When I was an employee making $65,000, I thought that was my "cost" to the company. But when I went freelance and started negotiating my contractor rate, I had to factor in that I'd now be paying the full 15.3% self-employment tax instead of just the 7.65% employee portion. Plus I lost other benefits like health insurance contributions and 401k matching. I ended up setting my hourly rate significantly higher to account for these additional costs. It really opened my eyes to how much employers actually invest in each employee beyond just the salary. The 7.65% employer FICA contribution is just the tip of the iceberg when you consider unemployment insurance, workers comp, benefits, etc. For anyone considering going freelance - make sure you factor in that you'll be paying both the employee AND employer portions of Social Security/Medicare taxes!
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Amara Nnamani
•This is exactly the kind of insight I wish I had before starting my job! It's really eye-opening to think about how much more my employer is actually investing in me beyond my salary. I'm curious - when you made the transition to freelance, did you find any good resources or calculators to help figure out what rate to charge to make up for all those lost benefits? I'm considering going freelance eventually and want to make sure I don't undervalue myself by only thinking about replacing my current salary.
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