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Omar Fawaz

Does $1,000 tax refund sound right on a $35,000 yearly income?

I made around $35k last year working at a warehouse in Texas. Single filer, no dependents. I ended up paying about $6k total in taxes throughout the year (federal, social security, medicare). Just finished doing my taxes this weekend and I'm getting a $1k refund. This seems like a lot to me? I'd rather have that money in my paychecks throughout the year instead of giving the government an interest-free loan. How can I adjust my W-4 at work so I get more in my regular paychecks and less of a refund next tax season? Is there a specific number of allowances I should put? I'm not very tax savvy and don't want to mess this up and end up owing instead.

A $1,000 refund on $35,000 income is actually pretty reasonable. You paid about $6,000 in total taxes, and that includes Social Security and Medicare which you can't adjust. For federal income tax, you probably paid around $2,500-3,000, so getting $1,000 back means your withholding was about 30-40% higher than needed. To adjust your W-4, the form changed a few years ago and doesn't use "allowances" anymore. You have a few options: 1) You can put an additional amount you want withheld from each paycheck in Step 4(c), but as a NEGATIVE number (like "-$40" per paycheck to reduce withholding by $40 each check). 2) Or you can put additional income in Step 4(a) that will reduce your refund. 3) The simplest might be using Step 4(b) to claim additional deductions of around $5,000-6,000 which should reduce your withholding enough to get your refund closer to zero.

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What happens if they put too much in step 4(b) and end up owing at tax time? Is there a penalty for that? I'm always scared of owing money so I'd rather get a refund.

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Thanks for explaining this! I didn't realize the W-4 had changed so much. So if I understand right, I should put about $5,000-6,000 in Step 4(b)? Would that mean I'd get almost no refund next year, or would I owe money? And what's the difference between using Step 4(a) vs Step 4(b)? Which one is safer if I don't want to accidentally owe a lot?

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If you put too much in Step 4(b) and end up owing at tax time, there's typically no penalty as long as you owe less than $1,000 when you file or if you've paid at least 90% of the tax you owe for the current year (or 100% of what you owed the previous year). To answer the original question, I'd recommend starting with a more conservative $4,000 in Step 4(b) to see how it affects your paychecks. This should reduce your withholding but still leave you with a small refund. The difference between 4(a) and 4(b) is that 4(a) is for additional income not subject to withholding, while 4(b) is for deductions. For your situation, 4(b) is usually safer since it directly reduces the calculated tax amount. You can always adjust it mid-year if you notice you're still having too much withheld.

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Does it actually work for people with more complicated situations? I have rental income plus a W-2 job and I'm always either owing too much or getting too big a refund.

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I'm a little skeptical about putting my tax docs on some website. Do they store your information? How do you know it's calculating things correctly? The IRS has a tax withholding estimator too, isn't that safer?

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Wait, I don't understand how this works. Do they have some special access to the IRS or something? How can they get you through the phone line when no one else can?

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This sounds like a scam. The IRS phone system is what it is. No way some random service can magically get you through faster than anyone else. They're probably just taking your money and leaving you on hold just like if you called yourself.

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They don't have special access to the IRS - they use technology to navigate the phone system and stay on hold for you. Basically, they call the IRS, go through all the phone prompts, and then wait in the queue. Once they're about to reach an agent, they call you and connect you directly to the IRS call. You only talk to the actual IRS people, not middlemen. I was skeptical too, but after wasting hours trying to get through myself, it was worth trying. And no, it's definitely not a scam. I got connected to a real IRS agent who had my tax info and helped me adjust my withholding properly. I understand being cautious with tax matters - I was too - but in my experience it worked exactly as advertised.

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Ok I need to eat my words from my previous comment. After another frustrating morning trying to reach the IRS about my withholding question (kept getting disconnected after 30+ minutes on hold), I broke down and tried that Claimyr service. I thought for sure it wouldn't work, but I got a call back in about 45 minutes saying they had an IRS agent on the line. I was connected instantly to a very helpful woman at the IRS who looked up my file and walked me through exactly how to adjust my W-4 for my specific situation. Turns out I'd been filling out my W-4 all wrong for years which is why I kept getting huge refunds. The agent explained exactly what to put in each field based on my income and deductions. I just submitted the new form to HR and should see the difference in my next paycheck. Time will tell if it works out perfectly, but talking to a real IRS person made me way more confident than guessing on my own.

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Just wanted to throw this out there - if you're getting a refund of around $1k on $35k income, that's pretty average. But if you really want to change it, the easiest thing is to use the IRS Tax Withholding Estimator on their website. It's free and will tell you exactly what to put on your W-4. https://www.irs.gov/individuals/tax-withholding-estimator It's designed specifically for this situation and walks you through everything step by step. I use it every January to make sure I'm on track.

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I tried using that IRS tool last year and it was so complicated! Asked me like 50 questions I didn't know the answers to. Has it gotten any easier to use?

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It has improved a bit! They simplified some sections, but you're right that it still asks a lot of questions. The key is to have your most recent pay stub and last year's tax return in front of you while using it. Most of the answers come straight from those documents. If you don't have complicated taxes (no investments, rental properties, etc.), you can skip some sections. The basic info they need is your filing status, income, and current withholding amount from your pay stub. The results page gives you specific instructions for your W-4 that you can print out and follow.

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Keep in mind that if you adjust your W-4 to get close to zero refund, you're walking a fine line. If you miscalculate or your income changes, you might end up owing money at tax time. Some people prefer getting a refund as a forced savings mechanism. That said, $1000 on $35,000 income isn't crazy high for a refund. If you really want to reduce it, try changing your W-4 to claim an additional $4000 in deductions (not the full $5-6k recommended above) and see how that affects your paychecks. You can always adjust again mid-year if needed.

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That's a really good point. Maybe I'll take a more cautious approach first. Would rather get a small refund than owe. I'll try the $4000 in deductions and see how it goes. Thanks!

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