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Jeremiah Brown

Do you have to pay federal tax on gambling winnings if you're a non-filer with no taxable income?

My buddy unexpectedly hit a jackpot at a casino last weekend. He goes to casinos here and there but doesn't use those player cards to keep track of his gambling. This time he sat down at a slot machine and boom - hit something big enough that they gave him a W-2G form. I think the threshold for getting that form is around $1200, and he won about $1600. The thing is, he's probably down about $1500 for the year on gambling, so if he pays tax on this win, he's actually losing money overall. Here's the complicated part - my buddy doesn't have a job and has zero taxable income otherwise. He's been a non-filer for years since he doesn't make enough to require filing. I told him that since his income is basically nothing, he might not need to file or pay taxes on the gambling win. But I'm not sure if gambling winnings are treated differently, and if he still has to pay that 25% tax regardless of his income situation. Does anyone know if he needs to file a return just for this W-2G, or if non-filers with no other income are exempt from paying taxes on small gambling wins?

Royal_GM_Mark

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Your friend should definitely file a tax return this year, even though he's been a non-filer in the past. Here's why: gambling winnings are considered taxable income regardless of your other income sources. The casino is required to report that W-2G to the IRS, so they already know about it. The good news is that he can also report his gambling losses as an itemized deduction on Schedule A, up to the amount of his winnings. This means if he can document that he lost $1500 throughout the year, he can offset most or all of the tax he'd owe on that $1600 win. The challenge will be documenting those losses. Since he doesn't use a player card, he'll need other evidence - bank withdrawals at the casino, ATM receipts, or a diary of gambling activities with dates, locations, and amounts.

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Thanks for explaining! Two questions: 1) Does this mean he HAS to file even though he has no other income? 2) For documenting losses, would bank statements showing ATM withdrawals at the casino be enough, or does he need more detailed records?

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Royal_GM_Mark

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Yes, he is required to file because the IRS received that W-2G form, and they're expecting a return to match it. The filing threshold doesn't really apply here since the casino reported this income directly to the IRS. Bank statements showing ATM withdrawals at the casino are a good start, but they're not perfect proof since the money could have been used for something else. The best documentation would be those ATM receipts combined with a personal gambling log noting dates, locations, types of gambling, and amounts won/lost. Even creating this documentation after the fact is better than nothing, as long as it's reasonable and matches up with the bank withdrawals.

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Sophia Long

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Your friend should know that casinos withhold federal taxes at a 24% rate for winnings over $5,000. Since his jackpot was only around $1600, they likely didn't withhold any taxes, which means if he doesn't file, he'll potentially owe the full tax amount. Even with no other income, gambling winnings are taxed at regular income tax rates starting at 10%. The easiest solution: file a tax return, report the W-2G amount, and itemize deductions on Schedule A to claim the gambling losses. He'll need bank statements at minimum, but better to create a simple gambling log with dates and amounts. The tax software will walk him through it.

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If he's literally got zero other income, wouldn't he be in the 0% tax bracket anyway? The standard deduction is like $13,000+ so wouldn't that cover the $1600 win even without documenting losses?

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Sophia Long

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You're absolutely right about the standard deduction. If his only income for the year is that $1600 gambling win, it would be completely covered by the standard deduction ($13,850 for 2023 for single filers). In that case, he would file a return showing the income but wouldn't owe any federal income tax. This is actually simpler than itemizing deductions to claim gambling losses, since he wouldn't need to document all the losses. He'd just need to file the return to show the IRS that his total income is below the taxable threshold. Good point!

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Serious question - what happens if your friend just ignores the W-2G? Like the casino sent the form to the IRS, but if he has no other income and has been a non-filer for years, would the IRS really come after him for a small jackpot? Just wondering if it's even worth the hassle.

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Bad idea. The IRS has an automated system that matches information returns (like W-2Gs) with filed tax returns. If they have a W-2G for someone who doesn't file, it automatically triggers a notice. First they'll send a letter asking him to file, then they'll calculate taxes owed without any deductions or credits, then come penalties and interest. Not worth the risk over such a small amount.

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Kristin Frank

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I went through something similar a few years ago. Had a decent casino win with a W-2G but was basically broke otherwise. The key thing to understand is that even though your friend has been a non-filer, that W-2G creates a filing requirement regardless of his other income. However, the good news is exactly what Sophia pointed out - if that $1600 is his only income for the year, it's well below the standard deduction threshold. He'll need to file a return to report it, but he won't actually owe any federal income tax. The IRS just needs to see that return to match against their records. I'd definitely recommend he files rather than ignoring it. The IRS matching system is pretty good at catching unreported gambling income, and it's much easier to file a simple return now than deal with notices and penalties later. Most free tax software can handle a basic return with just a W-2G.

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Mateo Gonzalez

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This is really helpful clarification! I'm new to this community but dealing with a similar situation. So just to make sure I understand - even if someone has zero other income and the gambling win is below the standard deduction, they still MUST file a return because the casino reported it to the IRS? The filing requirement isn't based on total income in this case, but on the fact that there's a W-2G floating around that the IRS expects to see matched up with a tax return? Also, when you say "most free tax software can handle this" - are there any specific ones you'd recommend for someone who's never filed before and is dealing with their first W-2G?

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