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Yuki Sato

Do I have to pay US taxes with only 5 months living here as a foreigner with LLC?

I'm a foreign national (not a US citizen or resident) and I moved back to the US in August last year after being away for several years. I operate an LLC as a sole proprietor that's registered in the US. Years ago someone told me that for IRS tax residency purposes, I needed to physically be in the US for at least 180 days. Now I've got an accountant telling me I need to pay US taxes on my income from last year even though I was only here about 5 months. The complication is I already have to pay taxes in my home country. If I could just pay taxes there, it would save me roughly 20-30% and simplify everything considerably. Also, my wife was studying in the US for most of last year. She didn't earn any income and isn't a US citizen/resident either. We were advised to file jointly rather than separately, which seems odd to me. Does anyone know what my actual tax obligations are? Does the 180-day rule apply in my situation? Really trying to figure out if I legally need to pay US taxes for those 5 months or if I can just handle taxes in my home country.

Carmen Ruiz

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The 180-day rule is actually part of what's called the "Substantial Presence Test," but it's more complicated than just counting days. There are actually two tests the IRS uses to determine if you're a tax resident: First is the Green Card Test - if you have a green card, you're a tax resident regardless of how many days you've been in the US. Second is the Substantial Presence Test, which counts days over a 3-year period with a formula. For the most recent year, you count all days. For the year before, you count 1/3 of days. For the year before that, you count 1/6 of days. If the total is 183 days or more AND you were in the US for at least 31 days in the current year, you're considered a tax resident. Even if you don't meet these tests, your LLC income is likely still taxable in the US as it's US-sourced income. The US taxes foreign persons on income that's "effectively connected" with a US trade or business. There may be tax treaties between your home country and the US that could provide relief from double taxation. You'd need to check the specific treaty.

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Yuki Sato

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Thank you for the detailed explanation. So even though I was only in the US for about 150 days last year, I might still need to pay US taxes on my LLC income because it's a US business? What about the previous years when I wasn't in the US at all but the LLC still existed? Would I owe taxes for those years too?

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Carmen Ruiz

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Yes, that's exactly right - since your LLC is a US business, the income it generates is considered US-sourced and subject to US taxation regardless of your personal residency status. For the previous years when you weren't physically present but your LLC was operating in the US, you would generally still owe US taxes on that income. The LLC income is considered "effectively connected with a US trade or business" which makes it taxable in the US. This is separate from your personal residency status. You should definitely look into whether there's a tax treaty between your home country and the US, as that could allow for tax credits to avoid double taxation.

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Did it actually give you specific advice for your situation? I'm also a foreign national with a US LLC and getting conflicting information everywhere. How detailed was the help you got? Did it tell you exactly what forms to file?

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I'm skeptical about these online tax tools for complex international situations. How did it handle the tax treaty stuff? Those are really complicated and specific to each country. Did you still need an accountant in the end?

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It gave me surprisingly specific advice for my situation. It identified that I needed to file Form 1040-NR as a non-resident and Schedule C for my LLC business income. It also pointed out that I needed Form 8833 to claim treaty benefits. Much more detailed than I expected. For the tax treaty analysis, it asked me which country I was from and then applied the specific provisions of that treaty to my situation. It highlighted the exact articles that applied to my business income. I still consulted with an accountant afterward, but I was much more informed and confident when discussing my options.

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Mei Wong

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Liam McGuire

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Liam McGuire

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Amara Eze

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I went through something similar when I moved to the US from Canada with my business. The key thing to understand is the difference between your PERSONAL tax residency status and your BUSINESS tax obligations. Your LLC as a sole proprietor is considered a "disregarded entity" which means all business income flows through to your personal tax return. However, since the business is US-based, that income is considered US-sourced and therefore taxable in the US regardless of your personal residency status. There might be Foreign Earned Income Exclusion options or tax treaty benefits available, but those typically apply to foreign-earned income, not US-sourced income. This is why your accountant is saying you need to pay US taxes on the LLC income. Check if there's a tax treaty between your home country and the US that might provide credit for taxes paid to avoid double taxation.

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Yuki Sato

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Thanks, this makes the situation much clearer. I think I've been confusing my personal tax status with my business obligations. The business income seems to be taxable in the US regardless of how long I was physically present. So I guess I'll have to file in both countries and hope the tax treaty helps avoid double taxation?

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Amara Eze

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Yes, you've got it right. You'll need to file tax returns in both countries. The US return will report your US-sourced LLC income, and your home country return will typically include your worldwide income. Most tax treaties have provisions to prevent double taxation through foreign tax credits. This means you can usually claim a credit on your home country tax return for taxes paid to the US on the same income. This doesn't eliminate your need to file and pay in both places, but it should prevent you from being taxed twice on the same money. I'd recommend working with a tax professional who specializes in international taxation to make sure you're applying the treaty provisions correctly.

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Just one more thing to consider - if your wife was on an F-1 student visa while studying here, that can also affect your situation. F-1 students are usually considered non-residents for tax purposes for the first 5 calendar years they're in the US. So if your accountant was suggesting you file jointly, that seems odd because generally non-residents can't file joint returns with other non-residents. There's an exception if you choose to treat a non-resident spouse as a resident for tax purposes, but that would mean BOTH of you would be taxed on worldwide income, which probably isn't advantageous in your situation. Filing separately might be the better option, with you filing Form 1040-NR for your US-sourced LLC income only.

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This is a really good point about the student visa. I had a similar situation and made the mistake of filing jointly which resulted in being taxed on worldwide income. Definitely consider filing separately if you're both non-residents!

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