Can someone apply for an ITIN without paying taxes? Income below filing threshold questions
So I'm trying to help a friend who's in a confusing situation with his ITIN application process. He doesn't speak English well, so I'm trying to understand what's happening. About two months ago, he went to a community center that was recommended to him to apply for an ITIN (Individual Taxpayer Identification Number). He just wanted to get the ITIN, nothing else. Now he's telling me they told him he owes $839 to the IRS, but apparently a tax return was filed without any ITIN number. This seems really strange to me since tax day was back in April and this is happening in August. What's more confusing is that I'm pretty sure if someone makes less than $15,950 annually, they don't even need to file taxes. My friend definitely makes less than that amount. I have several questions: 1) When applying for an ITIN, do you automatically have to pay any taxes owed? Can't you just apply for the ITIN by itself? 2) If his income is below $15,950 per year, why would he need to file or pay taxes at all? 3) Is a tax return that was filed without an ITIN even valid? Really appreciate any help untangling this situation!
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Luca Esposito
This situation sounds confusing, but I can help clarify some things about ITINs and tax filing requirements. First, applying for an ITIN and filing taxes are technically separate processes, but they're often done together. An ITIN application (Form W-7) must be submitted with a valid tax return unless your friend qualifies for an exception. The IRS wants to see a legitimate tax purpose for issuing the ITIN. Regarding the income threshold - you're generally right that someone with income below the standard deduction (which was $12,950 for 2022 and is higher now) doesn't have to file. However, there are exceptions. If your friend had self-employment income over $400, he would need to file regardless of the total amount. Also, if he's trying to claim certain credits or benefits, filing might be necessary. As for filing without an ITIN - yes, this is actually how it works. When applying for an ITIN, you submit your tax return along with Form W-7 (ITIN application). The IRS processes the ITIN application first, assigns the number, and then processes the attached tax return. The timing (August) isn't necessarily strange - ITIN applications and tax filings can happen year-round, especially for previous tax years.
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Nia Thompson
•Thanks for the explanation! So if someone's just trying to get an ITIN for future use (like opening a bank account) but doesn't have any tax obligation yet, do they still need to file a tax return with the ITIN application? Or are there exceptions for that situation?
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Luca Esposito
•Yes, there are exceptions! The IRS allows ITIN applications without a tax return in specific situations. These include if you need an ITIN to claim a tax treaty benefit, if you're receiving passive income from investments/property, if you're opening a bank account that requires an ITIN, or if you're a dependent/spouse of someone with a valid tax ID. In these cases, your friend would need to provide documentation showing why they need the ITIN rather than attaching a tax return. The community center should have helped identify if your friend qualified for an exception rather than automatically filing a return if there was no tax obligation.
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Mateo Rodriguez
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GalaxyGuardian
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Aisha Abdullah
•I'm curious - did they actually help with submitting the ITIN application afterward? Or did you just get advice and still have to handle everything yourself? These community centers sometimes file returns to make commission on refunds even when people don't need to file.
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Aisha Abdullah
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Ethan Wilson
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Yuki Tanaka
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Carmen Diaz
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Carmen Diaz
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Andre Laurent
Something to watch out for - many "tax preparation services" in immigrant communities make money by filing returns and claiming refundable credits, even when people don't need to file! They often don't explain what they're doing or the potential consequences. For ITIN applications, they should be checking if you qualify for an exception first before filing a return. The exceptions are: 1) Passive income from investments/partnerships 2) Tax treaty benefits 3) Third party withholding 4) Banking/loan documentation needs If your friend just needed the ITIN for banking, he probably qualified for an exception and didn't need to file or pay anything. I'd recommend having him contact the Taxpayer Advocate Service (they have translation services) to review what was filed.
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AstroAce
•This is so true! My uncle went to one of these places and they filed returns for 3 years that he didn't even need to file, and now he's dealing with amended returns and it's a huge mess. Is there any way to report these predatory services?
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Andre Laurent
•Yes, you can report them to the IRS using Form 14157 (Complaint: Tax Return Preparer). If they're particularly egregious, you can also report them to your state's attorney general office or consumer protection bureau. Most states now have requirements for tax preparers, and those who deliberately file unnecessary returns to generate fees are violating professional standards. If they're affiliated with any professional organizations like the NATP or NAEA, you can report them there too. These kinds of predatory practices targeting immigrant communities are definitely on the IRS's radar.
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Zoe Kyriakidou
Quick question - my brother is in a similar situation. Does anyone know if there's a statute of limitations on filing for an ITIN? He's been in the US for 4 years but never got one. Can he still apply now or is it too late?
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Jamal Brown
•There's no statute of limitations for applying for an ITIN! Your brother can apply anytime. However, ITINs do expire if not used on a tax return for 3 consecutive years. But for a new application, he can apply whenever needed.
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Emma Johnson
This is exactly the kind of predatory practice that unfortunately targets people who don't speak English well. Your friend was likely taken advantage of by a tax preparer who filed an unnecessary return to generate fees. Since your friend's income is below the filing threshold and he just needed an ITIN (probably for banking), he most likely qualified for Exception 1(d) and shouldn't have had to file a tax return at all. The $839 "owed" is probably from a return that was filed incorrectly or unnecessarily. I'd strongly recommend your friend contact the Taxpayer Advocate Service at 1-877-777-4778 - they have multilingual support and can help sort this out for free. They can review what was filed and help determine if the tax bill is legitimate or if the return should be amended/canceled. Also, consider filing a complaint against the community center using Form 14157 if they deliberately filed an unnecessary return to generate fees. This kind of exploitation of immigrant communities needs to be reported. The good news is this situation can likely be resolved - your friend probably doesn't owe anything and can still get his ITIN through the proper exception process.
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Keisha Thompson
•This is really helpful advice! I had no idea about the Taxpayer Advocate Service having multilingual support. That sounds like exactly what my friend needs since the language barrier has been a huge part of this problem. Do you know if they can actually help cancel or amend returns that were filed incorrectly by these tax preparers? And roughly how long does that process usually take? My friend is really stressed about this $839 bill hanging over his head. Also, thank you for mentioning Form 14157 - I think we definitely need to report this place. They clearly took advantage of him not understanding the process.
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