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Jayden Hill

Can Interest Paid on S Corp Penalties be Deducted as a Business Expense?

I'm trying to figure out a bit of a mess with my small business. Our S-Corp made a late tax payment to the state last year, and now we're being charged penalties and interest. I understand the penalties aren't deductible (obviously), but I'm not clear about the interest portion. Can the interest be deducted as a regular business expense on our return, or is it considered a non-deductible expense that needs to go on Schedule K? My accountant is out on vacation for another week and this is driving me crazy. Anyone dealt with this situation before? We're trying to get our books in order for 2025 filing and this question keeps coming up.

LordCommander

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The interest portion of penalties paid to state governments for S-Corp late tax payments is generally deductible as a business expense, while the penalties themselves are not deductible. This is an important distinction that many business owners miss. According to tax regulations, while fines and penalties paid to a government are not deductible (IRC Section 162(f)), the interest charged on those penalties is typically considered a separate item and can be deducted as a business interest expense on your S-Corp return. The interest would be reported on Form 1120-S as a deductible business expense, not on Schedule K. This follows the general principle that interest paid for business purposes is usually deductible, even when it relates to an underlying non-deductible payment.

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Lucy Lam

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Thanks for the helpful info! Does this same rule apply to federal tax payment interest or just state? Also, where exactly on the 1120-S would you report this - is there a specific line?

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LordCommander

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Yes, this same principle generally applies to both federal and state tax payment interest. The IRS treats the penalty and interest portions differently, with penalties being non-deductible but interest usually being deductible as a business expense. On Form 1120-S, you would typically report the interest expense on Page 1, Line 13 (Interest) or as part of "Other Deductions" on Line 19 with a supporting statement. Just make sure to clearly identify it as interest paid on late tax payments to distinguish it from the non-deductible penalties.

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Aidan Hudson

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I was in a similar situation last year and found taxr.ai super helpful with this exact problem. I was confused about what could be deducted and what couldn't since my bookkeeper and tax preparer were giving me conflicting advice about the interest portion of our S-Corp penalties. I uploaded our notice from the state tax authority to https://taxr.ai and got a clear explanation that matched what the previous commenter said - the penalties aren't deductible but the interest portion is. The tool broke down the relevant tax code and even cited the specific IRS guidance. Saved me a lot of headache and potential errors on our return.

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Zoe Wang

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Did it actually explain where to put it on the forms though? My CPA is charging me extra for every little question I ask, so I'm trying to figure stuff out on my own first.

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Sounds like an ad. Does it actually give you different advice than you'd get from a regular tax professional? I'm skeptical about AI tools for complex tax situations.

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Aidan Hudson

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Yes, it did specify exactly where to report it on the forms. It gave me line-by-line guidance for Form 1120-S, explaining that the interest goes on Line 13 (Interest) or in the "Other Deductions" section with proper documentation. Really specific and practical advice. The advice is based on actual tax code and IRS regulations, so it's not different from what a good tax professional would tell you - but it's available 24/7 and you can ask as many follow-up questions as you want. It's particularly helpful for specific questions like this where you just need a straightforward answer based on tax law.

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Grace Durand

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Steven Adams

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Wait, how does that even work? Doesn't everyone have to wait in the same IRS queue? I've literally spent hours on hold before.

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Alice Fleming

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Grace Durand

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Alice Fleming

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Hassan Khoury

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Quick tip from someone who's been running an S-Corp for 12 years - keep super detailed records separating out the penalty vs interest portions on any government payments. I had an audit a few years back and they specifically looked at this. Make sure you have the notices from the state showing exactly how much was penalty vs how much was interest. Don't just go by what your accounting software categorizes it as.

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Does it matter what caused the late payment in the first place? Like if it was due to a natural disaster or something out of our control, does that change whether the interest or penalties can be deducted?

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Hassan Khoury

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Good question. In some special circumstances, penalties (but not just interest) might be abated if the late payment was due to reasonable cause like a natural disaster, but that doesn't change the deductibility status. What changes is whether you have to pay the penalties at all. Even if the penalties are forgiven due to circumstances beyond your control, the general rule still applies for any amounts you do pay: interest is usually deductible as a business expense, while penalties are not deductible. The cause of the late payment doesn't affect the tax treatment of these payments.

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Benjamin Kim

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Is anyone else bothered by how inconsistent this rule is? The interest and penalties are basically for the same thing - being late on taxes. Seems arbitrary that one is deductible and one isn't. The tax code makes no sense sometimes.

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It's actually logically consistent if you understand the underlying principles. Penalties are considered punitive (punishment for breaking rules) so they're not deductible. Interest is just compensation for the time value of money - basically the government charging you for the "loan" you took by paying late. Since interest paid for business purposes is generally deductible, this follows the same pattern.

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TechNinja

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This is exactly the kind of situation where having clear documentation makes all the difference. I went through something similar with my S-Corp two years ago when we had late state tax payments due to a banking error. The key thing I learned is to always request a detailed breakdown from the taxing authority showing exactly how much is penalty versus interest - sometimes they lump it together on the initial notice. What really helped me was creating a simple spreadsheet tracking each payment with columns for: Date, Total Amount Paid, Penalty Portion (non-deductible), Interest Portion (deductible), and Supporting Document Reference. This made it super easy for my CPA to handle the deductions properly and gave me peace of mind during our subsequent IRS correspondence audit. Also, don't forget that if you're making estimated tax payments going forward, getting those right can help you avoid this whole mess in the future. The safe harbor rules for S-Corps can be a lifesaver for avoiding underpayment penalties.

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Diego Ramirez

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That's really smart advice about the spreadsheet tracking! I'm dealing with this exact situation right now and had been just throwing all the penalty/interest payments into one bucket. Your breakdown approach makes so much sense - especially the part about requesting detailed breakdowns from the taxing authority. I never thought to do that proactively. Quick question - when you mention "IRS correspondence audit," did they specifically scrutinize the penalty vs interest deductions, or was it part of a broader review? I'm always paranoid about triggering additional scrutiny, but it sounds like having good documentation actually helped your case. Also totally agree on the estimated payments going forward. We got caught off guard this year but are definitely implementing quarterly payments to avoid this headache in the future.

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Amara Eze

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I just went through this exact scenario with my S-Corp last month! The confusion is totally understandable because the notices from state tax authorities often don't clearly separate these amounts. Here's what I learned from my experience: The interest portion IS deductible as a business expense on your S-Corp return (Form 1120-S), while penalties are not. The key is getting proper documentation that breaks down exactly how much of your payment was penalty versus interest. I had to call our state tax department and specifically request a detailed statement showing the breakdown. For reporting, the interest goes on Line 13 (Interest) of Form 1120-S. Make sure to attach a statement explaining what the interest relates to - something like "Interest paid on late state tax payment for [tax year]" along with the date and amount. One thing that caught me off guard: if you pay the penalty and interest in a different tax year than when the original tax was due, you deduct the interest in the year you actually paid it, not when the underlying tax was originally due. Hope this helps while you're waiting for your accountant to get back! The good news is this is a pretty straightforward issue once you have the proper documentation.

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Omar Fawzi

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This is incredibly helpful, thank you! I'm dealing with this exact situation and your point about calling the state tax department for a detailed breakdown is spot on. I just received a generic notice that lumped everything together as "penalties and interest" without any breakdown. The timing issue you mentioned about deducting in the year you actually paid is something I hadn't considered - that could definitely affect which tax year this impacts for us. Did you run into any issues with the state accepting that you needed the detailed breakdown, or were they pretty cooperative about providing it? Also, when you attached the statement to Form 1120-S explaining the interest, did you need to include copies of the state notices or just the explanation you mentioned?

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PixelPioneer

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@dcd982028ae3 The state tax department was actually pretty cooperative once I explained what I needed the breakdown for. I think they get this request fairly often during tax season. They were able to email me a detailed statement within a couple of business days that clearly showed the penalty amount, interest amount, and the calculation periods for each. For the Form 1120-S attachment, I included both the explanation statement and copies of the relevant notices from the state. My CPA recommended including the documentation to support the deduction in case of any future questions. Better to over-document than under-document, especially with something that could potentially be scrutinized. One more tip that helped me: when I called the state, I specifically asked them to note in their system that I had requested the breakdown for tax purposes. That way if there are any future questions, there's a record that I was trying to properly comply with the reporting requirements.

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I've been through this headache multiple times with my S-Corp over the years, and the advice here is spot-on. The interest portion is indeed deductible while penalties are not. One thing I'd add that saved me a lot of trouble: when you get that detailed breakdown from the state (which you absolutely should request), make sure to also ask them to provide the specific date ranges for when the interest accrued. This becomes important because sometimes states will continue charging interest even after you've made a payment but before they've processed it. Having those exact dates helps you calculate the correct deductible amount and also gives you ammunition if you need to dispute any portion of the charges later. Also, don't forget to update your estimated tax payment strategy going forward. The penalty for underpayment might not be deductible, but avoiding it altogether is obviously the better approach. For S-Corps, you generally need to pay 100% of last year's tax liability (or 110% if your prior year AGI was over $150K) to avoid underpayment penalties, regardless of what you actually owe for the current year. One last tip: if this becomes a recurring issue, consider setting up automatic payments with your state. Most states offer this now and it can prevent the whole penalty/interest situation from happening in the first place.

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NeonNova

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This is really comprehensive advice, thank you! The point about getting specific date ranges for interest accrual is brilliant - I never would have thought to ask for that level of detail. It makes total sense though, especially if there are processing delays that could affect the actual amount owed. Your mention of the estimated tax payment thresholds is also super helpful. We definitely got caught off guard this year because our income jumped significantly and we were still basing our estimates on the previous year's much lower numbers. The 110% rule for higher AGI is something I need to make note of for our planning going forward. The automatic payment suggestion is something I'm definitely going to look into. Even though it feels like giving up control, the peace of mind and avoiding these penalty/interest situations altogether seems worth it. Do you know if most states allow you to set up automatic payments for estimated quarterly payments, or is it typically just for annual payments?

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Mason Stone

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I went through this exact same situation with my S-Corp about 6 months ago and can confirm what others have said - the interest portion is deductible while penalties are not. What really helped me was being super methodical about the documentation process. Here's my step-by-step approach that worked well: First, I called the state tax authority and requested a detailed breakdown showing penalty vs interest amounts with specific calculation periods. Second, I created a simple tracking sheet with columns for payment date, total amount, penalty portion, interest portion, and supporting document reference. Third, when filing, I reported the interest on Form 1120-S Line 13 with a clear supporting statement. One thing that caught me off guard was that some states calculate interest daily, so even a few days difference in payment timing can affect the deductible amount. Make sure to get the exact interest calculation from the state rather than trying to estimate it yourself. The whole process was actually pretty straightforward once I had the proper documentation. Your accountant will definitely appreciate having everything clearly organized when they get back from vacation. In the meantime, requesting that detailed breakdown from the state is probably the most important next step you can take.

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Malik Jackson

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This methodical approach is exactly what I needed to see! I'm in the middle of dealing with this same situation and your step-by-step breakdown is super helpful. The point about daily interest calculation is something I hadn't considered - that definitely explains why trying to estimate the amounts myself wasn't matching up with what the state was showing. I'm definitely going to follow your tracking sheet approach. Having everything organized like that seems like it would make the whole process so much smoother, both for my own understanding and when I eventually hand everything over to my accountant. Quick question - when you requested the detailed breakdown from the state, did you have to provide any specific reason or justification for needing that level of detail, or did they pretty much provide it without question once you asked? I'm always a bit nervous about dealing with tax authorities, but it sounds like this is a pretty routine request.

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Emma Johnson

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I dealt with this exact same issue with my S-Corp last year and can definitely relate to the frustration of waiting for your accountant while trying to get your books in order! The good news is that you're asking the right question - the distinction between penalties and interest is crucial for proper tax reporting. As others have confirmed, the interest portion of your late payment charges IS deductible as a business expense on your S-Corp return, while the penalties are not. This follows the general tax principle that business interest is deductible, but government penalties are not. For your S-Corp, you'll report the deductible interest on Form 1120-S, Line 13 (Interest). The key is getting proper documentation from your state tax authority that clearly breaks down how much of your total payment was penalty versus interest - many notices lump these together, so you may need to call and request a detailed breakdown. A few practical tips from my experience: Keep detailed records of all payments and correspondence, make sure to deduct the interest in the year you actually paid it (not when the original tax was due), and consider setting up estimated quarterly payments going forward to avoid this situation recurring. Don't stress too much about this - it's a common issue and once you have the proper documentation, it's pretty straightforward to handle correctly on your return.

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This is such a helpful summary, thank you! I'm new to dealing with S-Corp tax issues and honestly feeling pretty overwhelmed by all the different rules and forms. Your point about deducting the interest in the year you actually paid it (not when the original tax was due) is something I definitely wouldn't have known - that timing difference could really matter for our situation since we're dealing with payments that span multiple tax years. The suggestion about setting up quarterly estimated payments is definitely something I need to look into. We're a relatively new S-Corp and clearly didn't do a great job with our payment timing this year. Better to get ahead of this for next year rather than deal with the same headache again! One quick question - when you mention keeping "detailed records of all payments and correspondence," what specific documents should I make sure to save? Just the state notices and payment confirmations, or are there other things I should be documenting?

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