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Can I earn 7% interest by overpaying IRS taxes on purpose?

I came across this interesting table showing that the IRS pays 7% interest on overpayments for individual taxpayers. This got me thinking about potential investment strategies. According to the IRS document I found: IRS sets and publishes current and prior years interest rates quarterly for individuals and businesses to calculate interest on underpayment and overpayment balances. 2023 Interest Rates by Category 3rd Quarter (Jul – Sep) 2nd Quarter (Apr-Jun) 1st Quarter (Jan–Mar) Non-Corporate overpayment (for example, individual) 7% 7% 7% Tax Overpayment Interest Formulas Type of Interest Applies To Formula Standard Non-Corporate Overpayments Federal short-term rate plus 3 percentage points What I'm wondering is - could I basically use the IRS as a high-yield savings account? Like, what if I intentionally overpay my taxes by a substantial amount for the next few years and earn that sweet 7% interest? That's about 2% higher than what I'm seeing for most CDs and savings rates right now. And for corporations there seems to be a $10,000 limit where the interest rate drops significantly (to federal+0.5%), but I don't see any similar limitation mentioned for individuals. Also, is this interest income even taxable? Seems like it could be a pretty stable investment if it works the way I'm thinking. Has anyone tried this or know if there's some catch I'm missing?

This strategy won't work the way you're thinking, and it could actually cause you problems. While the IRS does pay interest on overpayments, this is designed to compensate taxpayers when the IRS takes too long to issue refunds, not as an investment vehicle. The IRS typically only pays interest on refunds that are issued more than 45 days after the filing deadline or the date you filed (whichever is later). So if you file on time and get your refund within 45 days, you won't receive any interest at all. Also, intentionally overpaying your taxes by a large amount could potentially trigger IRS scrutiny. The IRS systems are designed to detect unusual patterns, and deliberately overpaying by thousands of dollars would certainly qualify as unusual. And yes, any interest the IRS pays you is considered taxable income. You'll typically receive a Form 1099-INT if the interest is $10 or more, and you must report it on your next tax return.

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But what if I'm self-employed and just increase my quarterly estimated tax payments by like $20k? Wouldn't that work since I'm not filing until the following April, so it would definitely be more than 45 days for most of those payments?

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For self-employed individuals making quarterly estimated tax payments, the 45-day rule still applies, but it's calculated from your filing date, not from when you made the estimated payments. So if you file on April 15, 2025 and get your refund by May 30, 2025, you won't receive interest regardless of how much you overpaid in your quarterly payments from 2024. Additionally, there are penalties for substantial underpayment of estimated taxes, but the IRS doesn't have a similar mechanism to discourage massive overpayments. However, they do have general anti-abuse provisions they can apply if they determine you're manipulating the tax system for purposes other than paying your actual tax liability.

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I stumbled across something similar last year when I accidentally sent in a quarterly payment that was way too high. When I finally got my refund, I was surprised to see interest added, which got me researching. I found this great tool at https://taxr.ai that analyzed my entire tax transcript and showed me exactly how the IRS calculated the interest on my overpayment. The tool completely broke down the interest calculation periods and showed me that I only earned interest for the time after that 45-day grace period that the tax expert mentioned. It also highlighted that this interest income was taxable on my next return - something I would've missed otherwise.

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How accurate is this tool? I overpaid by about $9,800 last year because my accountant and I miscommunicated about some stock sales, and my refund had some interest tacked on, but I couldn't figure out how they calculated it.

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Does it actually connect to your IRS account or do you have to upload documents? I'm always wary of giving access to my tax info.

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It's surprisingly accurate - it matched my interest calculation down to the penny. The system uses the official IRS interest rates and applies the same formulas the IRS uses. You don't give it access to your IRS account directly. You upload your tax transcript documents (which you can download from the IRS website) or take pictures of your IRS notices. The system is really secure - they use the same encryption as banks, and they don't store your documents after analysis. It's basically just reading the documents and explaining them in plain English.

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I wanted to follow up about that taxr.ai service. I tried it after seeing it mentioned here, and it was actually really helpful! I had a similar situation with an overpayment (though not intentional - just miscalculated my quarterly payments). The tool showed me exactly which portions of my overpayment earned interest and for how long. Turns out I only earned interest on about half of my overpayment amount because the rest was refunded within that 45-day window mentioned above. It also flagged that I need to include the interest as taxable income on my 2025 return, which I definitely would have forgotten. What I found most useful was the visualization of my payment history - it made it super clear why using the IRS as a savings account wouldn't work well. The effective annual yield ended up being way less than 7% because of that 45-day interest-free period.

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If you're having trouble getting a clear answer about this overpayment interest situation, I'd recommend calling the IRS directly. Of course, getting through to them is a nightmare. I spent literally hours on hold trying to get info about a similar situation last year. Then I found https://claimyr.com which got me connected to an actual IRS agent in less than 20 minutes. You can see how it works in this video: https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c. They basically navigate the phone tree and wait on hold for you, then call you when an agent is ready to talk. When I finally got through, the IRS agent explained that they have systems to flag accounts with patterns of intentional overpayments, especially large ones. They confirmed this isn't a legitimate investment strategy, and trying to abuse it could result in additional scrutiny of your returns.

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How does this service actually work? Do they somehow bypass the IRS phone queue, or are they just waiting on hold for you?

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Yeah right. Sounds like a scam to get your personal info. No way they can get through to the IRS faster than anyone else. I've been trying for WEEKS to talk to someone about my refund.

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They don't bypass the queue - they wait in it for you. Basically, they use an automated system that navigates the IRS phone tree and holds your place in line. When they finally reach an agent, they call you and connect you directly. It saves you from having to sit on hold for hours. The IRS phone system is just as slow for them as it is for everyone else, but the difference is you don't have to be the one listening to that terrible hold music. It's especially useful if you're at work or busy with other things and can't sit around with a phone glued to your ear for hours.

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I have to admit I was totally wrong about Claimyr. After complaining about it being a scam, I was desperate enough to try it last week when I couldn't get through to the IRS about my amended return. To my shock, it actually worked exactly as described. I got a call back in about 35 minutes, and there was an actual IRS agent on the line. I asked them specifically about this overpayment interest situation, and they confirmed everything the expert said above - it's not designed as an investment vehicle, and intentionally overpaying by large amounts could flag your account for review. The agent explained that while the 7% rate is accurate, the timing restrictions mean you'd never get the full 7% annual return, and any interest you do receive is fully taxable. They also mentioned that rates are subject to change quarterly, so there's no guarantee they'll stay at 7%. Definitely worth the call to get a straight answer directly from the IRS.

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You gotta think about opportunity cost too. Even if you did manage to earn some interest on overpayments, that's money that could have been invested elsewhere during the same period. With the market performing how it has been, you'd likely earn way more in an index fund than the effective rate you'd get from the IRS (after accounting for that 45-day no-interest period). Plus, tying up large amounts of money with the IRS means you can't access it until you file and receive your refund - that's a serious liquidity issue compared to most other investments.

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But what about people who are super risk averse? I'm terrified of the stock market after losing a bunch in 2022, and even high-yield savings accounts seem risky to me with all these bank failures. At least the IRS isn't going bankrupt...

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Even for risk-averse investors, there are better options than using the IRS as a savings account. Treasury bills and notes are backed by the full faith and credit of the US government (same as the IRS) but are designed as actual investment vehicles. Current 1-year T-bill rates are competitive, and you don't have to deal with all the limitations of the IRS interest system. If you're worried about bank failures, you can spread your money across multiple FDIC-insured accounts or look into Treasury Direct. All of these options give you more control and potentially better returns than trying to game the IRS overpayment system.

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Wait, I got a refund last year that took forever (like 3 months after filing) and there was some interest added. Do I seriously have to pay tax on that interest??? The IRS paid me late and now they want to tax the interest they paid me for being late? That seems ridiculous!

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Yep, it's totally taxable! The IRS even sends out Form 1099-INT if the interest is $10 or more. I got hit with this last year. It's like the ultimate irony - they pay you interest for holding your money too long, then tax you on that interest payment.

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This is a fascinating discussion that really highlights how the IRS interest system works in practice! As someone new to this community, I've learned so much from reading everyone's experiences. It sounds like the consensus is pretty clear - while the 7% rate looks attractive on paper, the practical limitations (45-day grace period, taxable interest, potential IRS scrutiny) make it a poor investment strategy. The real-world examples from folks like Nathaniel and Kristian who actually experienced overpayment situations really drive home how the effective return is much lower than that headline 7% rate. I'm particularly intrigued by the tools mentioned like taxr.ai for analyzing tax transcripts - seems like that could be helpful for understanding any interest calculations even in normal overpayment situations. And the Claimyr service for actually getting through to the IRS sounds like a game-changer for anyone who needs to speak with them directly. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences and expertise. This is exactly the kind of practical, real-world tax advice that's so hard to find elsewhere!

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Welcome to the community, Oliver! You've really captured the key takeaways well. As someone who's been dealing with tax issues for years, I can confirm that these "too good to be true" strategies usually have catches that make them impractical. What I find most valuable about this discussion is how it shows the importance of understanding the full picture - not just the headline rate, but all the timing restrictions, tax implications, and potential compliance issues. The IRS system is designed to compensate taxpayers for delays, not to serve as an investment vehicle. For anyone considering unconventional tax strategies, I'd definitely recommend using those tools mentioned (especially getting direct clarification from the IRS via Claimyr) before making any major moves. Better to understand the rules upfront than deal with problems later!

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This thread has been incredibly educational! I'm someone who tends to overthink investment strategies, and I was actually considering something similar after seeing those high IRS interest rates. What really stands out to me is how the 45-day grace period completely changes the math. Even if you could guarantee getting interest, you're essentially giving the government an interest-free loan for 45+ days, which immediately reduces your effective annual return below that 7% headline rate. The point about opportunity cost is huge too. With I-bonds currently offering decent rates with tax advantages, or even just parking money in a high-yield savings account where you maintain liquidity, it seems like there are much better options for conservative investors. I'm definitely bookmarking this discussion - the practical insights from people who've actually dealt with overpayment interest are worth their weight in gold. Thanks everyone for sharing your real experiences rather than just theoretical advice!

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Jade, you've hit on something really important that I think gets overlooked in these discussions - the psychological aspect of "overthinking" investment strategies. I've been there too, where you see a number like 7% and start calculating scenarios in your head. What this whole thread demonstrates is the value of digging into the details before making financial decisions. The IRS interest system is actually a perfect case study in why you need to read the fine print - that 7% rate sounds amazing until you factor in the timing restrictions, tax implications, and opportunity costs everyone mentioned. I'm curious - have you looked into I-bonds? You mentioned them briefly, but they might be worth exploring further if you're in that conservative investor mindset. They have their own limitations (annual purchase limits, holding period requirements), but at least they're designed as actual investment vehicles rather than trying to game a system meant for something else entirely.

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As a newcomer to this community, I'm really impressed by the depth of practical knowledge shared here! This discussion perfectly illustrates why it's so important to look beyond the surface when evaluating financial strategies. The 7% IRS overpayment interest rate initially caught my attention too, but after reading through everyone's experiences and analysis, it's clear this isn't a viable investment approach. The 45-day grace period alone kills the effective return, and that's before considering the taxability of any interest earned or the potential compliance risks from intentionally gaming the system. What I find most valuable is how several community members shared real-world experiences - from Nathaniel's accidental overpayment to Jasmine's successful call with the IRS. These concrete examples are so much more helpful than theoretical discussions. The tools mentioned (taxr.ai for transcript analysis and Claimyr for IRS contact) also seem like genuinely useful resources that I wouldn't have discovered otherwise. For anyone else tempted by "creative" tax strategies, this thread is a great reminder to research thoroughly and consider all the hidden costs and limitations. Sometimes the most boring, conventional approaches (high-yield savings, T-bills, I-bonds) are boring for a good reason - they actually work as intended! Thanks to everyone who contributed their expertise and experiences. This is exactly the kind of practical tax discussion I was hoping to find in this community.

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Charity, you've really synthesized this discussion beautifully! As someone who's also new to navigating tax complexities, I appreciate how you've highlighted the key lesson here - that attractive headline numbers often hide significant practical limitations. What struck me most about this thread is how it demonstrates the importance of community knowledge. The original question about using the IRS as a "high-yield savings account" seemed plausible on the surface, but the collective wisdom from people who've actually dealt with overpayments revealed all the gotchas that make it impractical. I'm particularly grateful for the tool recommendations. Having resources like taxr.ai to decode tax documents and Claimyr to actually reach the IRS seems invaluable for anyone dealing with tax issues. It's these kinds of practical resources that make joining communities like this so worthwhile. Your point about boring conventional approaches being "boring for a good reason" really resonates. Sometimes the most sophisticated financial strategy is simply choosing time-tested, transparent options over clever schemes that sound too good to be true!

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As another newcomer to this community, I'm fascinated by how this discussion evolved from what seemed like a clever financial hack to a comprehensive lesson in why the IRS interest system isn't suitable for investment purposes. What really resonates with me is how the community collectively dismantled the original premise through actual experience and research. The 7% rate looks enticing until you factor in the 45-day interest-free period, the taxability of any interest earned, the liquidity constraints, and the potential for IRS scrutiny on intentional overpayments. I'm especially appreciative of the practical tools shared here - taxr.ai for understanding interest calculations and Claimyr for actually reaching the IRS. These seem like genuinely useful resources that go beyond the theoretical discussion. The broader lesson here seems to be that legitimate investment vehicles exist for a reason, and trying to repurpose tax systems for unintended uses typically backfires. High-yield savings accounts, Treasury securities, and I-bonds might be less "creative," but they're designed to actually function as investments without the regulatory and practical complications. Thanks to everyone who shared their real experiences with overpayments and IRS interactions. This kind of community knowledge sharing is invaluable for understanding not just what the rules say, but how they work in practice!

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Zoe, you've perfectly captured what makes this discussion so valuable! As someone who's also new here, I'm struck by how the community turned what could have been a quick "no, that won't work" response into a comprehensive educational thread. What I find most impressive is how multiple people shared actual experiences - from accidental overpayments to calling the IRS directly for clarification. This real-world context is so much more valuable than just reading the regulations in isolation. The fact that even someone who was initially skeptical of Claimyr (Jasmine) came back to share her positive experience really demonstrates the collaborative spirit here. Your point about legitimate investment vehicles existing "for a reason" is spot on. The IRS interest system serves a specific purpose - compensating taxpayers for processing delays - and trying to repurpose it as an investment strategy introduces all sorts of complications that purpose-built financial products simply don't have. I'm definitely bookmarking the tools mentioned here (taxr.ai and Claimyr) for future reference. It's these kinds of practical resources, combined with the community's willingness to share real experiences, that make joining discussions like this so worthwhile. Thanks for helping synthesize all the key insights!

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