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Can I contribute to my spouse's 401k when I'm self-employed with no 401k? (Filing married jointly)

I run my own business and only receive 1099s for my income. My spouse has a 401k plan but isn't currently working. We always file our taxes as married filing jointly. I'm wondering if I can use some of my self-employment income to make contributions to my spouse's 401k account? I'd like to max out their 401k for the year based on what I earn from my business. I don't have a 401k myself and honestly don't want to set one up - just want to utilize my spouse's existing account instead. Does filing jointly make this possible or are there other rules I need to know about?

You can't contribute to someone else's 401k with your income - that's not how 401k plans work. A 401k requires earned income from the specific employer sponsoring the plan. Since your spouse isn't employed, they can't contribute to their 401k. However, what you might want to look into is a spousal IRA. If you file jointly, the working spouse (you) can contribute to an IRA for a non-working spouse (your partner) even though they don't have earned income. For 2025, you can contribute up to $7,000 ($8,000 if they're 50+) to a spousal IRA. Also, as a self-employed person, you have excellent retirement options yourself! Look into a SEP IRA, Solo 401k, or SIMPLE IRA - these often allow higher contribution limits than regular 401ks.

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But what if the spouse's 401k is still active from a previous employer? Can they still contribute to it even if they're not currently employed there? And does a spousal IRA have the same tax advantages as a 401k?

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Once someone leaves an employer, they can no longer contribute to that employer's 401k plan. The account remains active and they can manage the investments, but new contributions are not allowed. This is true regardless of who's trying to contribute to it. A spousal IRA has similar tax advantages to a 401k. With a Traditional spousal IRA, contributions are tax-deductible (subject to income limits) and grow tax-deferred until retirement. With a Roth spousal IRA, contributions are made after-tax but grow tax-free and qualified withdrawals in retirement are tax-free. Both options are excellent for retirement savings.

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Just adding some real numbers here. If you're self-employed and want to save for retirement: 1. Solo 401k: You can contribute up to $23,000 as an "employee" PLUS around 25% of your net self-employment earnings as the "employer" up to a combined max of $69,000 for 2025. 2. Spousal IRA: $7,000 for 2025 ($8,000 if 50+) 3. SEP IRA: About 25% of net self-employment income up to $69,000. Your spouse absolutely cannot contribute to an old 401k from a previous employer. That's not how it works - contributions must come from payroll deductions while employed there.

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Wait, for a Solo 401k can you really put in that much? I thought the limit was the same as a regular 401k. And do all self-employed people qualify or do you need some special business structure?

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The Solo 401k limit is higher because you're wearing two hats - you're both the employee and the employer. As the employee, you can contribute the standard $23,000 for 2025 (plus $7,500 more if over 50). Then, as the employer, you can add approximately 25% of your net self-employment income. Almost any self-employed person qualifies - sole proprietors, single-member LLCs, partnerships (for partners), and corporations (for owners). The main requirement is that you have self-employment income and no full-time employees other than you and your spouse. You don't need any special business structure, though the exact calculation of the employer portion varies slightly depending on whether you're a sole proprietor or incorporated.

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Has anyone here actually DONE the spousal IRA thing? Like actually set it up? I'm trying to figure out if I have to go through some special process or just open a regular IRA and call it a "spousal IRA"??

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I've done this for years. There's no special "spousal IRA" account type - it's just a regular IRA (either Traditional or Roth). The "spousal" part just refers to the fact that the IRS allows you to contribute to an IRA for a non-working spouse based on your income. Just open a normal IRA in your spouse's name. When you file taxes jointly, the contribution is allowed even though your spouse didn't have earned income. Super simple!

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Oh that makes sense! I was making it way more complicated than it is. So I just open a regular IRA for my spouse and fund it with money from our joint account or whatever, and then when we file taxes it all works out because we file jointly? Do I need to tell the brokerage firm it's a "spousal IRA" when I set it up?

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You don't need to tell the brokerage it's a "spousal IRA" - they don't have any special designation for that. From their perspective, it's just a regular IRA account in your spouse's name and SSN. The "spousal" aspect only matters for tax purposes when you file your return. As long as you're married filing jointly and you have enough earned income to cover both your IRA contribution AND your spouse's IRA contribution, you're good to go. The IRS allows this because they treat your combined income as available for either spouse's retirement savings. Just make sure the account is opened in your spouse's name with their SSN - that's the important part!

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Just want to add a helpful tip for anyone going the Solo 401k route - I set one up last year through Fidelity and it was surprisingly straightforward. The whole process took about 20 minutes online, and they walked me through exactly how to calculate my contribution limits based on my 1099 income. One thing I wish someone had told me earlier: you can actually open a Solo 401k late in the year (even December) and still make contributions for that tax year, as long as you make the contributions by the tax filing deadline (including extensions). This gave me flexibility to see how much profit my business made before deciding on contribution amounts. The combination of maxing out a Solo 401k for myself AND doing a spousal IRA for my non-working husband has been a game-changer for our retirement savings. We went from saving maybe $12,000/year to over $30,000/year in tax-advantaged accounts.

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This is really helpful! I'm curious about the contribution timing - when you say you can make contributions by the tax filing deadline, does that include both the employee AND employer portions of the Solo 401k? I've heard conflicting info about whether the employer contribution has to be made by December 31st or if it also gets the extension to the filing deadline. Also, did you have to do anything special to coordinate the Solo 401k with your spousal IRA contributions to make sure you didn't accidentally over-contribute based on your total earned income?

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For Solo 401k timing, both the employee and employer contributions can be made up to the tax filing deadline (including extensions). The employee portion is treated like a salary deferral and the employer portion is a business deduction, but both get the same deadline flexibility for sole proprietors and single-member LLCs. Regarding coordination with spousal IRA - you don't really need to worry about over-contributing across different account types since they have separate limits. Your Solo 401k limits are based on your self-employment income, and the spousal IRA has its own $7,000 limit. The only thing to watch is that your total earned income needs to cover all contributions combined. So if you made $50,000 self-employment income, you could potentially do a Solo 401k contribution based on that PLUS the $7,000 spousal IRA, as long as your combined contributions don't exceed your earned income.

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As someone who went through this exact same situation a few years ago, I can confirm what others have said - you definitely cannot contribute to your spouse's old 401k. That was my first instinct too, but it's simply not allowed once they're no longer employed there. What worked really well for us was the combination approach: I set up a SEP IRA for my self-employment income (super easy to do) and opened a spousal IRA for my non-working partner. The SEP IRA gave me much higher contribution limits than I expected - I was able to put away about 20% of my net self-employment income, which was way more than the $7,000 IRA limit. One thing I learned the hard way: make sure you're calculating your net self-employment income correctly for the SEP IRA contribution. You have to subtract the self-employment tax deduction first, which I initially missed. The IRS has worksheets that walk through this calculation, but it's definitely worth double-checking with a tax professional or using one of the tools others mentioned here. The spousal IRA was incredibly straightforward - just opened a regular IRA in my spouse's name and contributed to it from our joint finances. Come tax time, filing jointly made it all work seamlessly.

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This is exactly the kind of real-world experience I was looking for! I'm in a similar boat with self-employment income and was getting overwhelmed by all the different retirement account options. Quick question - when you say you were able to put away about 20% with the SEP IRA, was that 20% of your gross self-employment income or the net amount after the self-employment tax deduction? I want to make sure I'm estimating my potential contributions correctly when I start planning for next year. Also, did you find any particular resources or worksheets that were especially helpful for calculating the SEP IRA contribution limits? I've looked at the IRS publications but they can be pretty dense to work through.

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