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Juan Moreno

Can I claim my hobby expenses as business tax deductions? (First-time filer Question!)

First time ever deducting anything on my taxes, so sorry if I sound completely clueless here. I started my small business last year and I'm finally sitting down to file my taxes for 2024. I'm trying to figure out if I can deduct some miscellaneous expenses related to things I enjoy doing. Would any of these qualify as legitimate business deductions? - My classic motorcycle restoration (parts, maintenance, service costs around $3,500) - Music equipment (bought a new bass guitar and accessories for $900) - Indoor gardening supplies and equipment (probably spent close to $2,200 on this passion) - Digital art and design (software subscriptions, home office redecoration, new desk setup, lighting for my workspace) - not sure if the decoration part counts since I know home renovations aren't deductible - Airbrush equipment and paint booth for custom painting projects ($1,800) I've categorized everything I could think of, but I'm not sure where the line is between personal hobbies and legitimate business expenses. My business is in marketing but I enjoy these activities in my personal time. Are any of these deductible or am I completely off track here?

Amy Fleming

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Great question about hobby expenses and business deductions! The key distinction here is whether these activities are actually part of your business operation or just personal hobbies you enjoy. For an expense to be deductible as a business expense, it needs to be both "ordinary and necessary" for your business. This means it must be common in your industry and helpful for your business. If you're in marketing, you'll need to show how these expenses directly relate to your business activities. For example, the design software could be deductible if you use it for client work. The digital art equipment might qualify if you create marketing materials with it. However, expenses like classic motorcycle restoration or indoor gardening would be much harder to justify as marketing business expenses unless your business specifically involves these activities (like if you market specifically to gardeners or motorcycle enthusiasts). The IRS is particularly careful about distinguishing hobby expenses from legitimate business deductions. They look at factors like whether you depend on the income, operate in a businesslike manner, and have expertise in the area.

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Juan Moreno

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Thanks for the detailed explanation! So basically, unless I can prove these hobbies directly contribute to my marketing business's income, they're probably not deductible? What if I occasionally use my photography from gardening or motorcycles in social media posts for clients? Does partial business use make any portion deductible?

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Amy Fleming

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You're exactly right about needing to prove these expenses directly contribute to your business income. If you genuinely use photography from your gardening or motorcycles for client work, you might be able to deduct a portion of those expenses - but you'd need to track and document the percentage of business use versus personal use very carefully. For mixed-use items, you can only deduct the business percentage. For example, if you use your digital art setup 30% for client work and 70% for personal projects, you could potentially deduct 30% of those costs. Just make sure you keep excellent records showing how these expenses connect to your marketing services and have documentation ready in case of an audit.

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Alice Pierce

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Sounds interesting, but I'm skeptical. Couldn't you just get the same information for free from IRS publications? I've been reading up on Schedule C deductions and there's pretty clear guidance on the hobby vs. business distinction. Did they tell you anything you couldn't find yourself online?

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From what I understand about your situation, it sounds like you're confusing hobby expenses with business expenses. The tax law changed years ago and hobby expenses are NOT deductible anymore, even if you make some income from them. The 2017 tax reform eliminated miscellaneous itemized deductions including hobby expenses. Business expenses are different - they're deductible on Schedule C, but only if you're running an actual business with the primary purpose of making a profit. The IRS has a "hobby loss rule" where they look at whether you make a profit in 3 out of 5 years. If not, they might classify your activity as a hobby rather than a business. If these activities aren't directly part of your marketing business, they're personal expenses and not deductible at all.

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That's not entirely accurate. The hobby loss rule isn't an automatic determination - it's just one factor the IRS considers. They actually look at 9 different factors to determine if something is a business or hobby, including whether you conduct the activity in a businesslike manner, your expertise, time investment, expectation of asset appreciation, success in similar activities, history of income/losses, amount of profits, your financial status, and elements of personal pleasure. The 3-out-of-5 years guideline is just a presumption that can be rebutted with other evidence.

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You're right that there are multiple factors the IRS considers beyond just the 3-out-of-5 years profit test. I oversimplified in my original response. The 9 factors you mentioned are indeed what the IRS evaluates when determining if an activity is a business or hobby. The key point for the original poster remains that personal hobbies aren't deductible, regardless of whether they occasionally intersect with their marketing business. They would need to establish that these activities are genuinely part of their business operations with the primary purpose of making a profit, not just activities they enjoy that occasionally generate content they can use.

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Joy Olmedo

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I'm in a similar situation with my woodworking. I make furniture as a hobby but occasionally sell pieces. Does anyone know if there's a specific percentage threshold for business vs. personal use? Like if I use my table saw 70% for personal projects and 30% for items I sell, can I deduct 30% of the cost?

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Isaiah Cross

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Yes, you can deduct the business percentage of expenses for mixed-use items. There's no specific percentage threshold - you just need to have a reasonable method for determining the business portion. Some people track hours of use, others track the number of projects, and some use square footage for workspace deductions. The most important thing is documentation. Keep a log showing when equipment is used for business vs. personal purposes. Take photos of business projects vs. personal ones. Track the income from business projects. In case of an audit, you need to be able to justify your allocation percentage.

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Joy Olmedo

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Thanks for the clarification on mixed-use deductions! I've been keeping receipts but haven't been tracking usage time. I'll start keeping a simple log of hours spent on personal vs. sellable projects to document my business percentage. Do you think a spreadsheet would be sufficient documentation or should I be doing something more formal? I'm trying to do this right without creating an overwhelming amount of paperwork for what's still a relatively small operation.

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Kiara Greene

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Just a quick tip from someone who went through an IRS audit over hobby vs. business deductions - keep everything separate! Have a separate business bank account, separate credit card, separate space in your home if possible, and DETAILED records of anything that crosses between personal and business use. I had a photography side business and tried deducting camera equipment I also used for family photos. The IRS wanted to see logs showing EXACTLY what percentage was business vs. personal. Without proper documentation, they disallowed most of my deductions and hit me with penalties and interest. Painful lesson!

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Juan Moreno

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This is really helpful advice, thank you! Do you have a specific method you'd recommend for tracking the business vs. personal usage? I'm thinking of creating a spreadsheet or maybe using a time-tracking app, but I'm not sure what would be most acceptable to the IRS if I ever got audited.

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Kiara Greene

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For my photography business, I now use a simple but effective system. I have a digital calendar where I color-code business shoots versus personal use. I take a screenshot at the end of each month showing the breakdown. I also keep a simple spreadsheet tracking hours of use, project names (business clients vs. personal), and income generated from business projects. The key is consistency - whatever method you choose, use it regularly. The IRS doesn't require any specific format, but they need to see that your tracking is reasonable and applied consistently. Contemporaneous records (created at the time of use, not recreated later) are much more credible in an audit situation. Finally, keep all this documentation for at least 7 years along with your tax returns.

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