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Can I claim both Self-employed Sick Leave Credit & Self-employed Family Leave Credit for 2023 tax filing? Tax software calculation accuracy?

My wife and I are both running our own businesses. We've got a teenager in high school and a 3-year-old. Back in 2022, our plan was to enroll our toddler in a preschool program that spring (right when all the latest COVID wave hit). Of course, all the preschools shut down and we decided to keep our little one at home due to health concerns. This, plus having our teenager doing school from home, meant we each only worked about half the week instead of full-time. I've been doing our taxes and noticed the software mentions you can claim the self-employed sick leave credit if you had to take time off from your business to care for a child because their school or care provider wasn't available. The family leave credit has pretty much the identical definition from what I can tell. Between May 1, 2022 and December 31, 2022 (the eligible period), I figured we each missed roughly 120 days of work. In a normal year, we would have each worked about 235 days on our full schedules, but we were both working half-time. I entered 120 days each for the sick leave credit, and then put in 50 days (which seems to be the maximum allowed) for the family leave credit. The crazy thing is these credits changed our tax situation completely - we went from owing around $14,750 to actually getting back about $2,350! This seems too good to be true. Am I calculating this correctly? Is it legitimate to claim both these credits since they seem to be covering the exact same situation? The definitions look practically identical to me.

Chloe Martin

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You're actually on the right track here! These two credits were designed to work together as part of the COVID relief measures, and yes, they do sound similar because they address related issues but have different limits and calculations. The Self-employed Sick Leave Credit was specifically for when you couldn't work because you were caring for someone (like your child) whose school or care provider was unavailable due to COVID-19. This had a maximum of 10 days (80 hours). The Self-employed Family Leave Credit was for extended caregiving needs related to COVID-19 disruptions, with a maximum of 50 days (or 10 weeks) per person. While they seem redundant, they were actually designed to be complementary. Think of the sick leave credit as the "first phase" support and the family leave credit as the "extended support" for longer-term care needs. The calculations can get complicated since they're based on your self-employment income and have daily limits. Based on what you described, if both you and your spouse qualified for both credits and the software calculated a significant change in your tax situation, it's very possible the calculation is correct.

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AstroAce

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Thanks for explaining the difference! So essentially the sick leave credit is for the initial period and the family leave credit extends beyond that? If I'm understanding correctly, I should actually be claiming 10 days of sick leave credit for each of us, and then 50 days of family leave credit for each of us? Rather than 120 days of sick leave? Also, do you know if these credits are still available for 2023 taxes? Since we're still dealing with some school/daycare disruptions.

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Chloe Martin

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That's exactly right - the sick leave credit was intended for that initial period of up to 10 days per person, while the family leave credit extended coverage for an additional 50 days. So for each of you, the proper claim would be 10 days of sick leave credit and then up to 50 days of family leave credit (depending on your actual situation). Unfortunately, these specific COVID-related credits expired after December 31, 2022. For your 2023 taxes, these particular credits are no longer available. However, you might still qualify for the Child Tax Credit and the Child and Dependent Care Credit, which can help offset some costs associated with raising children and paying for care so you can work.

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Diego Rojas

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Does this actually work for specific tax credits like these self-employment ones? I tried using TurboTax last year and it completely missed some credits I was eligible for until I specifically searched for them. How does taxr.ai know about the more obscure credits?

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Diego Rojas

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Zara Ahmed

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Nia Thompson

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One thing no one has mentioned yet - don't forget to apply these credits separately for EACH spouse if you're both self-employed! My wife and I both qualified but I initially only claimed them for myself. Each of you can claim up to 10 days of sick leave credit AND up to 50 days of family leave credit if you both had to reduce your work to care for your kids. Also, the amounts are calculated based on your net earnings from self-employment, so they could be different amounts for each spouse. The daily limits in 2022 were $511 per day for sick leave for your own illness and $200 per day for caring for someone else or for the family leave credit. Make sure your software is calculating both spouses' credits correctly!

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AstroAce

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Thanks for pointing this out! Yes, we are both claiming the credits separately based on our individual self-employment incomes. My wife's income is higher than mine, so her credits are calculating higher too. Do you know if we need any specific documentation to prove we were caring for our kids during those days? I'm worried about potential audit flags since this is making such a big difference in our taxes.

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Nia Thompson

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You should definitely keep documentation showing that your children's schools or care facilities were closed during the periods you're claiming. Things like emails from the school about closures, announcements from the daycare, or any formal communications about COVID-related shutdowns. Also maintain a calendar or log showing which days you had to reduce work hours to provide care. Note the days you would normally have worked but couldn't due to childcare responsibilities. And keep records of your normal work schedule pre-COVID to establish your baseline. If possible, document how your business income was affected - comparing earnings or billings from similar periods before the pandemic might help demonstrate the impact. The more documentation you have connecting the care needs to your reduced work hours, the better position you'll be in if questioned.

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Has anyone else noticed that different tax software calculates these credits differently? I tried three different programs and got wildly different results. One gave me hardly any credit, another gave me a massive amount, and the third was somewhere in between. I ended up going with a professional tax preparer who specializes in self-employment taxes, and she explained that many tax software programs struggle with these specialized COVID credits because they were temporary and had complex rules.

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I had the same experience! TurboTax gave me a much smaller credit than FreeTaxUSA. My accountant explained that some software was more aggressive in their interpretations of the rules while others were more conservative. He recommended documenting everything carefully in case of an audit, regardless of which calculation you go with.

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