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Can I Get an Offer In Compromise (OIC) Approved With Retirement Account Balances?

I've been dealing with this tax debt from 2011 that's been hanging over my head for way too long. I'm finally making progress but still have questions about the OIC process. Over the years, I've managed to chip away at the balance and now I'm down to about $12,800 (around $9,300 principal, $1,400 in failure to pay penalties, and $2,100 in interest). My federal refund this year should be around $6,500 (at least I've been good about over-paying my quarterly estimates!) which will automatically get applied to the debt and bring it down to roughly $6,300 remaining. Here's my issue - I tried the OIC pre-qualifier and got rejected because of my assets. The only real asset I have is a Roth IRA from my last full-time job back in 2013. That $16,800 account has been earning about 11.7% annually over the past decade, which makes me really reluctant to cash it out just to pay off the IRS. What I'm wondering is: Would the IRS even consider an OIC application when my only substantial assets are in a retirement account? Or do they automatically expect me to liquidate my retirement savings to pay the tax debt? I'm trying to avoid destroying my retirement fund if at all possible.

Mei Liu

The IRS does consider retirement accounts as assets when evaluating an Offer in Compromise, but there are some important nuances to understand. When the IRS evaluates an OIC, they look at your "reasonable collection potential" (RCP), which includes both your future income and your equity in assets. Retirement accounts are definitely included in this calculation, but the IRS also considers the potential early withdrawal penalties and taxes that would result from liquidating them. In your specific situation, since you have a Roth IRA that's been established for more than 5 years, you could withdraw your contributions (but not earnings) without penalty. The IRS is aware of this distinction and will likely expect you to at least consider using those contribution amounts toward your tax debt. That said, the IRS doesn't always demand complete liquidation of retirement assets, especially if that would create financial hardship or leave you with inadequate resources for retirement. They may be willing to work with you on a partial payment installment agreement instead.

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If the IRS does expect partial withdrawal from retirement accounts, is there a typical percentage they look for? Like would they expect half of the retirement account or just a token amount? And does age factor into their decision at all?

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Mei Liu

There's no fixed percentage the IRS expects you to withdraw from retirement accounts. They evaluate each case individually based on factors including your age, overall financial situation, and proximity to retirement. Generally, the closer you are to retirement age, the less they'll expect you to compromise your retirement savings. Age is definitely a significant factor. If you're under 40, they may be less sympathetic about preserving retirement assets compared to someone in their 50s or 60s. They also consider whether you have other retirement savings or income sources that would allow you to rebuild your retirement funds over time.

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How exactly does this tool work? Does it just give general advice or does it actually help with the specific forms? I'm in a similar situation with about $22k in an old 401k and $18k in tax debt that I'm trying to settle.

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I'm skeptical of these tax AI tools. Wouldn't actual tax resolution professionals have better insight than an algorithm? The IRS rules for OICs seem pretty subjective, especially when it comes to retirement assets. Did it actually help get your OIC approved or just take your money?

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Just wanted to follow up - I tried that taxr.ai site that was mentioned here and it was surprisingly helpful for my situation. The tool analyzed my financial details and showed me exactly why my previous OIC attempt failed. The biggest revelation was that I didn't need to include my entire 401k as an available asset. The guidance helped me calculate the "quick sale value" that the IRS actually uses, which was significantly less than the full balance. Also learned that I needed to emphasize the early withdrawal penalties in my narrative. Just submitted my new OIC application with all these adjustments last month and got preliminary approval last week! Not fully finalized yet, but looking promising that I'll only need to use about 30% of my retirement funds instead of liquidating everything.

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How does this service actually work? Does it just call the IRS repeatedly until it gets through? Seems like it would just be annoying the IRS agents even more.

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Yeah right. I've heard about these "get through to the IRS" services before and they sound like scams. The IRS phone system is deliberately designed to keep people waiting. No way some third party service can magically get you through. Did you actually get your issue resolved or just waste money?

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Have you considered an Installment Agreement instead of an OIC? If your debt is going to be down to around $6,300 after your refund applies, you could potentially get a streamlined installment agreement without having to provide all your financial details. That way you keep your retirement intact and just make monthly payments. With a debt under $10,000 the approval process is much simpler and almost automatic. You'd just need to stay current on all future tax obligations while paying off the past debt.

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I've thought about the installment agreement, but I'm worried about the continued interest and penalties accumulating. Doesn't the interest continue to compound even while you're making payments? That's what makes the OIC appealing - getting it all settled for potentially less than I owe and being done with it. How long would an installment agreement typically run for an amount like $6,300? And would they still look at my retirement accounts for that?

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Yes, interest and penalties do continue to accrue during an installment agreement, which is definitely a downside compared to an OIC. Currently the interest rate is around 7% annually, plus a reduced failure to pay penalty of 0.25% per month. For $6,300, you could spread payments over 72 months maximum on a streamlined agreement, which would be approximately $105-110 monthly (slightly higher at first, then decreasing as the balance goes down). The advantage is they won't scrutinize your retirement accounts at all for a streamlined agreement under $10,000. If you can afford higher payments and want to minimize interest, you could aim to pay it off in 24-36 months instead.

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Has anyone else here successfully gotten an OIC approved specifically with retirement assets being a factor? What documentation did you have to provide?

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I got an OIC approved last year with about $23k in an IRA. The key was documenting that I was 59 1/2 and would face significant long-term financial hardship if I depleted my retirement savings. I had to provide detailed financial statements, proof of my age, and a written statement explaining why accessing retirement funds would create future financial hardship.

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Looking at your situation, I think you have a decent shot at getting an OIC approved even with the Roth IRA. The key is understanding how the IRS calculates your "reasonable collection potential" with retirement accounts. Since your Roth has been established since 2013 (over 5 years), you can withdraw contributions penalty-free, but any earnings would face the 10% early withdrawal penalty plus taxes. The IRS typically calculates the "quick sale value" of retirement accounts by reducing the balance by estimated penalties and taxes - so your $16,800 might only be valued at around $12,000-14,000 for OIC purposes. With your remaining debt at ~$6,300 after the refund, and assuming they value your Roth conservatively, you might be able to offer something in the $8,000-10,000 range that addresses both your future income potential and a reasonable portion of your retirement assets without completely liquidating them. The narrative portion of your OIC application will be crucial - emphasize that completely depleting your only retirement savings would create long-term financial hardship and that you're offering a reasonable compromise that considers both your assets and future earning capacity. Document any penalties and tax consequences of early withdrawal to support your case.

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This is really helpful Sofia! I hadn't thought about the "quick sale value" calculation reducing the actual impact of my retirement account. The $12,000-14,000 valuation range you mentioned makes way more sense than them expecting the full $16,800. Your point about the narrative being crucial is spot on - I've been so focused on the numbers that I hadn't really considered how to articulate the long-term hardship angle effectively. Since this is my only retirement savings and I'm still relatively young, completely wiping it out would basically reset my retirement planning to zero. Do you think it would help to get some kind of financial projection showing what rebuilding that retirement account would look like starting from scratch? Or would that be overkill for the application?

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Based on your situation, I think you have a solid case for an OIC approval even with the Roth IRA. The IRS doesn't automatically expect you to liquidate retirement accounts, especially when it would create genuine financial hardship. A few key points that could work in your favor: 1. Your debt will be relatively small ($6,300) after the refund applies 2. The IRS uses "quick sale value" for retirement accounts, which factors in early withdrawal penalties and taxes - so your $16,800 Roth might only be valued at around $12,000-13,000 for OIC purposes 3. Since this appears to be your only retirement savings, completely depleting it could qualify as creating future financial hardship I'd recommend emphasizing in your OIC narrative that liquidating your entire retirement account would leave you with no retirement security and force you to start over completely. You might consider offering an amount that reflects partial use of the retirement funds (maybe 40-50% of the quick sale value) combined with future income considerations. The fact that you've been consistently paying down this debt over the years and are current on other tax obligations should also work in your favor. Have you considered consulting with a tax professional who specializes in OICs? They might be able to help structure your application to maximize the chances of approval while protecting most of your retirement savings.

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This is excellent advice Josef! I'm actually in a very similar situation - have about $8,900 in tax debt from 2012-2013 and a Roth IRA worth around $14,200. I've been hesitant to apply for an OIC because I was worried they'd automatically expect me to cash out the entire retirement account. Your point about the "quick sale value" calculation is really eye-opening. I had no idea the IRS reduces the value of retirement accounts when calculating what you can reasonably pay. That makes the math work out much better than I thought. The idea of offering 40-50% of the quick sale value seems like a reasonable compromise - shows good faith while still preserving most of the retirement savings. Have you seen cases where this approach has been successful? I'm wondering if there are any specific phrases or documentation that tends to work well in the narrative section when making the financial hardship argument.

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I went through a similar situation last year with an OIC and retirement accounts. The key thing that helped me was understanding that the IRS doesn't just look at the raw balance of your retirement accounts - they consider the "net realizable value" after penalties and taxes. For your Roth IRA situation, since it's been established since 2013, you can withdraw contributions without penalty, but any earnings would face early withdrawal penalties plus taxes if you're under 59½. The IRS typically factors this into their calculation, so your $16,800 balance might only be valued at around $13,000-14,000 for OIC purposes. Given that your remaining debt will be around $6,300 after your refund, you're actually in a pretty good position. The IRS generally looks for offers that equal your reasonable collection potential, which includes both your future income capacity and your net equity in assets. I'd recommend documenting the early withdrawal consequences thoroughly in your application - show the exact penalties and taxes that would apply, and emphasize in your narrative that completely liquidating your only retirement savings would create genuine long-term financial hardship. This isn't just about the immediate tax cost, but about your future financial security. The fact that you've been consistently chipping away at this debt over the years shows good faith, which the IRS does consider. You might be able to structure an offer around $8,000-9,000 that addresses both your asset equity and future income without completely wiping out your retirement savings.

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This is incredibly helpful Lucas! Your breakdown of the "net realizable value" calculation makes so much more sense than what I was thinking. I was getting overwhelmed thinking the IRS would expect me to liquidate the full $16,800, but if they're actually looking at closer to $13,000-14,000 after penalties and taxes, that changes the whole equation. The $8,000-9,000 offer range you mentioned seems much more reasonable and doable. I really appreciate you pointing out that my consistent payment history over the years should work in my favor - I hadn't considered that as a positive factor, but you're right that it shows I'm not trying to dodge my responsibilities. One question - when you documented the early withdrawal consequences in your application, did you need to get official calculations from your IRA provider, or were you able to use standard penalty rates in your own calculations? I want to make sure I'm providing the right level of detail without overdoing it.

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I've been following this thread closely as someone who went through a similar OIC process with retirement accounts last year. One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is the importance of timing your OIC application strategically. Since you're expecting a $6,500 refund that will automatically apply to your debt, I'd recommend waiting until that refund is processed and your balance is actually down to the $6,300 before submitting your OIC. The IRS evaluates your offer based on your financial situation at the time of application, so having the lower debt amount on record will work in your favor. Also, regarding the Roth IRA valuation - make sure to clearly distinguish between your contributions and earnings in your financial documentation. Since contributions can be withdrawn penalty-free after 5 years (which you meet), but earnings cannot without penalty before 59½, this affects how the IRS calculates your reasonable collection potential. If you contributed, say, $12,000 over the years and the account is now worth $16,800, they'll view the $12,000 in contributions differently than the $4,800 in earnings. The combination of your reduced debt balance and the penalty/tax considerations on your retirement account earnings should put you in a much stronger position for OIC approval than the pre-qualifier tool suggested.

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This is excellent strategic advice, Arjun! I hadn't considered the timing aspect of waiting for the refund to process first. That makes complete sense - having the actual $6,300 balance on record rather than the current higher amount could make a significant difference in how the IRS evaluates the offer. Your point about distinguishing between contributions and earnings in the Roth IRA documentation is really insightful too. I need to dig into my account statements to figure out exactly how much I've contributed over the years versus what's grown from investment gains. If a significant portion of that $16,800 is actually penalty-free contributions, that definitely changes the calculation in my favor. Do you happen to remember roughly how long it took for your OIC to be processed after you submitted it? I'm trying to get a sense of the timeline I'm looking at here.

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I'm dealing with a very similar situation and this thread has been incredibly helpful! I have about $8,200 in tax debt from 2012-2014 and a traditional IRA worth around $19,500 that I've been terrified to touch. Reading through everyone's experiences, especially the points about "quick sale value" and how the IRS actually calculates retirement account equity, has completely changed my perspective. I was under the impression that having any retirement savings would automatically disqualify me from an OIC, but it sounds like that's not necessarily the case. The distinction between contributions and earnings in Roth accounts that Arjun mentioned is particularly relevant - I need to look into whether converting some of my traditional IRA to Roth might help with the penalty calculations, though I realize that could complicate things tax-wise. One thing I'm curious about - for those who successfully got OICs approved with retirement accounts, did you work with a tax professional or handle the application yourselves? I'm trying to decide if the complexity warrants professional help or if the process is manageable to DIY with the right preparation and documentation. Thanks to everyone sharing their experiences here - it's giving me hope that I might be able to resolve this debt without completely destroying my retirement savings!

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Welcome to the conversation Chloe! Your situation sounds very similar to what many of us have been navigating. I'm glad this thread has been helpful - it's been eye-opening for me too as someone new to understanding how OICs actually work with retirement accounts. Regarding your question about DIY versus professional help, from what I've gathered reading through everyone's experiences, it seems like the key factors are: 1) properly calculating the "quick sale value" of your retirement accounts, 2) clearly documenting early withdrawal penalties and tax consequences, and 3) crafting a compelling narrative about financial hardship. If you're comfortable with financial calculations and paperwork, it might be worth trying the DIY approach first, especially since your debt amount is relatively manageable. Several people mentioned helpful tools like taxr.ai that can guide you through the process. You could always consult with a professional later if your initial application doesn't go through. One caution about the IRA to Roth conversion idea - that could potentially complicate your OIC application since conversions count as taxable events and might affect how the IRS views your current financial situation. Might be worth getting professional advice on that specific strategy before proceeding.

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I've been in a very similar position with tax debt and retirement accounts, and I want to share some key insights that might help you navigate this successfully. First, the IRS absolutely does consider retirement accounts in OIC evaluations, but not at face value. They use what's called "quick sale value" which factors in early withdrawal penalties, taxes, and other liquidation costs. For your Roth IRA established in 2013, you can withdraw contributions penalty-free, but earnings would face the 10% early withdrawal penalty plus taxes if you're under 59½. Given your debt will be around $6,300 after your refund applies, and assuming your $16,800 Roth might be valued at closer to $12,000-14,000 for OIC purposes (after considering penalties on earnings), you're actually in a much better position than the pre-qualifier suggested. The key to success will be your narrative. You need to clearly document: - Exact breakdown of contributions vs. earnings in your Roth - Specific penalties and taxes that would apply to early withdrawal - How liquidating your only retirement savings would create genuine long-term financial hardship - Your consistent payment history showing good faith effort Consider offering something in the $8,000-10,000 range that reflects partial use of your retirement assets while preserving your future financial security. The IRS looks for reasonable collection potential, not maximum extraction. Don't let the pre-qualifier discourage you - it's a basic tool that doesn't account for the nuances of retirement account valuations or hardship considerations that a full OIC application allows you to present.

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This is such a comprehensive breakdown, Liam! Thank you for laying out the specific steps and calculations so clearly. The $8,000-10,000 offer range you mentioned aligns perfectly with what several other community members have suggested, which gives me a lot more confidence in that approach. Your point about the narrative being key really resonates with me. I think I've been so focused on the numbers that I haven't given enough thought to how to effectively communicate the hardship aspect. The idea of documenting my consistent payment history as evidence of good faith is particularly valuable - I've been viewing that as just background information, but you're right that it should be a central part of my case. One follow-up question - when you mention documenting the "exact breakdown of contributions vs. earnings," do I need to go back through years of statements to calculate this precisely, or are there shortcuts to get this information from my IRA provider? I'm worried about the time it might take to gather all that historical data. The reassurance about not letting the pre-qualifier discourage me is exactly what I needed to hear. It sounds like a full application allows for so much more nuance than that basic screening tool suggests.

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