Can I Deduct Short Term Rental Expenses Against My W2 Income? Clarification Needed
I'm trying to get some clear answers about deducting expenses from my short term rental properties against my regular job income. I've been reading through Publication 925 and from what I understand, rentals where guests stay less than 7 days on average wouldn't count as passive activities. My Airbnb properties typically have guests staying 3-4 nights, and I'm pretty hands-on with managing them (cleaning between guests, handling all communications, managing bookings, etc). If I meet the material participation tests, does this mean I can actually use any losses from these rental properties to offset my W2 income from my day job? A friend who also runs short term rentals told me this is possible, but I want to be 100% sure before I make any tax moves. I've gotten different answers from different sources. Also, assuming this strategy works, is there a comprehensive list somewhere of all the deductions I can take for these properties? And are there any limitations on these deductions, like income thresholds or anything else I should be aware of? I'm in the US and would appreciate any insights from those who understand the tax code well. Thanks!
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GalacticGuru
You're on the right track! Short-term rentals with average stays under 7 days are generally considered non-passive business activities rather than passive rental activities. If you materially participate (which sounds like you do), you can typically deduct losses against your other income, including W2 wages. To meet material participation, you need to satisfy one of seven tests - the most common being working 500+ hours annually in the activity or doing substantially all the work. From your description of handling cleaning, communications, and bookings, you might qualify. For deductions, you'd file Schedule C (not Schedule E used for passive rentals) and can deduct ordinary and necessary business expenses: mortgage interest, property taxes, insurance, utilities, repairs, cleaning supplies, booking service fees, depreciation, etc.
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Freya Pedersen
•Thanks for the explanation! Quick question - does this mean I'd need to pay self-employment tax on the rental income since it would be on Schedule C? That seems like it could eat up the advantage of being able to deduct losses.
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GalacticGuru
•That's an excellent point about self-employment tax! Yes, Schedule C income is generally subject to self-employment tax (currently 15.3%), which is a downside compared to passive rental income. However, there's a potential workaround. The IRS has a specific exception for rental real estate that may still apply even to short-term rentals. If you can structure your activity as a "rental" business rather than a "service" business (minimizing personal services beyond the normal rental services), you might avoid self-employment tax while still deducting losses against ordinary income. This is a somewhat gray area that you should discuss with your tax professional.
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Omar Fawaz
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Chloe Anderson
•Does it actually give you personalized advice? I've tried tax software before and it's always super generic and doesn't really address complicated situations like this.
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Diego Vargas
•How does the AI know about your specific situation? I'm skeptical it can really interpret tax law correctly - even CPAs disagree about some of these issues.
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Omar Fawaz
•It actually does provide personalized guidance based on your specific situation. You can upload your documents and ask specific questions about your rental properties, like average stay duration and hours spent managing them. It then applies the tax rules to your specific circumstances. The AI doesn't just make things up - it references specific sections of the tax code and IRS publications to support its analysis. What impressed me was that it showed me exactly which material participation tests I met based on my activity levels, and it cited the relevant sections of Publication 925. It's definitely more targeted than generic tax software.
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Diego Vargas
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Anastasia Fedorov
If you're still struggling to get a definitive answer on this, you might want to consider talking directly with the IRS. I was in a similar situation last year and needed clarification on material participation for my vacation rentals. After trying unsuccessfully to reach someone at the IRS for weeks (always on hold for hours), I found this service called Claimyr (https://claimyr.com) that got me connected to an actual IRS agent in under 20 minutes! You can see how it works here: https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c The IRS agent I spoke with confirmed that my short-term rentals qualified as non-passive and walked me through the specific documentation I needed to maintain to prove material participation. Saved me thousands in potential deductions!
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StarStrider
•Wait, how does this actually work? The IRS phone system is basically impossible to get through. Are you saying this service somehow jumps the phone queue?
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Sean Doyle
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Anastasia Fedorov
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Sean Doyle
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Zara Rashid
Just to add one more piece to this discussion - don't forget about Section 199A qualified business income deduction! If your short-term rental rises to the level of a trade or business (which it sounds like it does based on your level of involvement), you may qualify for an additional deduction of up to 20% of your net rental income. This is separate from the question of offsetting losses, but something to keep in mind if your properties are profitable. The rules get complicated with phase-outs based on income level, but it's worth looking into.
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Ravi Gupta
•That's really helpful - I hadn't even considered the QBI deduction. Do you know if there are any special requirements for short-term rentals to qualify for this? And would taking the QBI deduction affect my ability to offset losses against W2 income in any way?
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Zara Rashid
•For short-term rentals to qualify for the QBI deduction, they need to rise to the level of a "trade or business" under Section 162, which generally means regular, continuous, and substantial activity - which your hands-on management would likely satisfy. The IRS also issued Revenue Procedure 2019-38 which provides a safe harbor specifically for rental real estate activities. Taking the QBI deduction doesn't affect your ability to offset losses. They're completely separate concepts. If your rentals show a net loss in a given year, there's no QBI deduction to take (since it's calculated on profits). But in profitable years, you'd potentially get both the regular business expense deductions and the additional QBI deduction on what's left.
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Luca Romano
One thing nobody has mentioned yet - make sure you're tracking your time meticulously if you're claiming material participation! The IRS loves to challenge this during audits. I keep a detailed log of all activities: cleaning time, communicating with guests, handling repairs, researching/purchasing supplies, even time spent on accounting. Also save all emails, messages, receipts as backup evidence.
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Nia Jackson
•Agreed about documentation. My friend got audited on exactly this issue and the IRS disallowed their short-term rental losses because they couldn't prove they met the material participation hours. Keep a calendar or app with dates, times, and descriptions of all activities.
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