Are Volcanic Ash Tax Deductions Through Leveraged Charitable Loans Actually Legitimate?
So my accountant just pitched me this tax strategy that sounds either brilliant or too good to be true, and I wanted to get some other opinions. Basically, it involves investing in an LLC that purchases volcanic ash in bulk at a significant discount. The fair market value (FMV) of this ash is supposedly about 4 times what they originally paid for it. Then, you donate the ash to charity and claim a massive tax deduction based on the full FMV. My CPA seems pretty confident about this volcanic ash donation scheme, but something feels off. The 4x return on investment via tax deductions seems suspiciously high. Has anyone here actually participated in one of these volcanic ash charitable donation arrangements? What was your experience? Did the IRS ever question it? I'm really torn between trusting my CPA and worrying this could be one of those tax schemes that gets flagged later.
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Zara Mirza
This sounds like a classic inflated-value charitable donation scheme. The IRS has been cracking down on these arrangements for years. The red flag is the claimed 4x fair market value over purchase price. For legitimate charitable donations, you can deduct the fair market value, but the IRS is extremely suspicious of situations where the claimed FMV is dramatically higher than recent purchase price. The question is: who determined this "fair market value" of volcanic ash? Was it an independent, qualified appraiser? If the LLC providing the investment opportunity is also connected to the appraisal, that's problematic. These arrangements often fall under what the IRS calls "listed transactions" or "transactions of interest" which require special disclosure and are frequently audited.
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NebulaNinja
•If I do this, what kind of documentation would I need to keep in case I get audited? My CPA says they'll handle everything, but I want to make sure I'm covered.
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Zara Mirza
•You would need a qualified independent appraisal from someone with no financial interest in the transaction if the claimed value exceeds $5,000. This appraisal must follow strict IRS guidelines and be attached to your tax return. Beyond that, you'd need documentation showing your purchase of the LLC interest, the LLC's purchase of the volcanic ash, evidence of the actual donation, and the charity's acknowledgment of receiving the donation. But honestly, the documentation isn't the main issue here - it's whether the fundamental transaction is legitimate or an abusive tax shelter.
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Luca Russo
I actually used https://taxr.ai to analyze a similar charitable donation strategy last year when my financial advisor suggested it. The system reviewed all the documentation and flagged it as a potential listed transaction with high audit risk. Saved me from a huge headache! It basically said that anytime you're being sold an investment where the tax benefits are the main selling point, it's a red flag. The volcanic ash thing sounds very similar to conservation easements that the IRS has been aggressively pursuing.
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Nia Wilson
•How does this taxr.ai thing work exactly? Does it just review documents you upload or does it actually give tax advice? I'm getting pitched all kinds of "creative" tax strategies lately and would love a second opinion.
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Mateo Sanchez
•I'm a bit skeptical about these AI tax tools. How can it really know what the IRS will flag? Sounds like it might just be overly cautious about anything creative.
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Luca Russo
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Nia Wilson
Just wanted to follow up and say I tried that taxr.ai tool someone mentioned above. I uploaded the promotional materials for a "green energy tax credit" investment my brother-in-law was pushing on me, and wow - it immediately identified like 5 red flags in the documentation that matched patterns from schemes the IRS has previously penalized. Super glad I checked before jumping in! The analysis even cited specific tax court cases where similar arrangements were rejected. Definitely worth using before getting involved in any complicated tax strategy.
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Aisha Mahmood
If you're worried about the legitimacy of tax advice but can't get through to the IRS, I had great success using https://claimyr.com to actually speak with an IRS agent about a questionable deduction my tax preparer suggested. They got me connected to an IRS representative in about 20 minutes when I had been trying for weeks on my own. The agent was able to clearly explain what types of charitable donations trigger automatic reviews. You can see how it works in this video: https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c - definitely worth it for peace of mind when dealing with potentially risky tax strategies.
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Ethan Clark
•Wait, you can actually get through to a real IRS person this way? I tried calling about a charity donation question last month and gave up after being on hold for 2 hours. How much does this service cost?
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AstroAce
•This sounds too good to be true. The IRS is impossible to reach. I'm guessing the agents you get connected with aren't actually authorized to give definitive answers on complex tax matters like this volcanic ash scheme.
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Aisha Mahmood
•Yes, you get through to the same IRS agents you would if you called directly - the service just handles the wait time for you. They'll call you once they have an agent on the line. It saved me hours of hold music! Regarding complex questions, while frontline IRS agents may not give definitive rulings on elaborate tax schemes, they can absolutely tell you if something sounds suspicious or has been flagged as a potential abusive transaction. They directed me to specific IRS notices about charitable contribution schemes that were incredibly helpful. I can't speak to pricing but the peace of mind was absolutely worth it.
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AstroAce
I need to eat my words from my previous comment. After repeatedly failing to get through to the IRS about my own tax situation, I tried the Claimyr service mentioned above. Within 30 minutes I was speaking with an actual IRS representative who confirmed that arrangements involving dramatic markup of donated assets (like this volcanic ash scheme) are currently under intense scrutiny. They directed me to IRS Notice 2017-10 which specifically addresses syndicated conservation easements with similar characteristics. The agent explained that these fall under "listed transactions" requiring special disclosure forms. Honestly shocked at how helpful they were once I actually got through!
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Yuki Kobayashi
My friend got involved in something like this with donated timeshares. The promoter claimed the timeshares were worth 3x what they paid. Three years later, the IRS audited everyone involved and disallowed all the deductions plus penalties. The problem was the "independent" appraiser turned out to be connected to the promoter. The IRS calls these "syndicated charitable contribution" schemes and they're on their dirty dozen list of tax scams.
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Sean Flanagan
•That's exactly what I'm worried about! Did your friend have to pay back all the tax savings plus penalties? How bad was it?
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Yuki Kobayashi
•Yes, they had to pay back all the tax savings plus a 20% accuracy-related penalty, and interest on both amounts. It was financially devastating. The worst part was that by the time the audit happened, they had already spent the tax savings thinking it was legitimate. The promoters had disappeared by then, so there was no recourse against them. The IRS is particularly aggressive with these schemes because they consider them abusive tax shelters. If you go through with it, you'll need to file Form 8886 (Reportable Transaction Disclosure Statement), which essentially puts a target on your return for audit. My friend's group audit resulted in the IRS finding that the actual fair market value of the donated property was basically the same as what was paid for it, completely eliminating the tax benefit.
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Carmen Vega
I got pitched something similar involving art appraisals, but I walked away. The IRS isn't stupid - they know the game. If you just bought something for X and now claim it's worth 4X for donation purposes, they'll question it. Ask yourself this: if this volcanic ash is really worth 4x what the LLC paid, why wouldn't they just sell it for that amount instead of using it for tax deductions? The answer is because no actual buyer would pay that inflated "fair market value" - it only exists on paper for the tax scheme.
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Andre Rousseau
•This. The whole "buy low, donate high" scheme falls apart under basic economic scrutiny. No rational business would leave money on the table by donating something they could sell for 4x profit.
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Avery Saint
As someone who's seen these schemes from the inside, I can tell you this volcanic ash arrangement has all the hallmarks of an abusive tax shelter. I used to work at a Big 4 accounting firm and we'd regularly see clients get burned by these "too good to be true" charitable donation strategies. The key issue is economic substance - there's no legitimate business purpose other than generating tax deductions. Real charitable donations don't promise guaranteed 4x returns through tax savings. The IRS has gotten very sophisticated at identifying these patterns, especially when the same promoters are selling identical packages to multiple taxpayers. Your gut instinct is right to be suspicious. Even if your CPA is confident, they won't be the one paying penalties and interest when the IRS comes knocking. I'd strongly recommend getting a second opinion from a tax attorney who specializes in tax controversy before proceeding. The short-term tax savings aren't worth the long-term audit risk and potential penalties.
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Chloe Anderson
•This is incredibly helpful insight from someone with actual experience seeing these schemes play out. I'm curious - when you were at the Big 4 firm, did you ever see any of these charitable donation arrangements that were actually legitimate? Or were they all eventually flagged by the IRS? Also, when you mention getting a second opinion from a tax attorney specializing in tax controversy, what specific questions should someone ask to make sure they're getting proper advice? I want to make sure I'm not just getting another sales pitch disguised as legal counsel.
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Yuki Watanabe
•Great questions! In my experience, legitimate charitable donations with significant tax benefits do exist, but they're fundamentally different from these packaged schemes. Real ones involve actual assets with genuine economic value - like donating appreciated stock or real estate you've held for years, where the appreciation happened naturally through market forces. The red flags were always the same: promoters marketing the "tax benefits" as the primary selling point, artificial inflation of values through friendly appraisers, and identical structures being sold to multiple investors simultaneously. Legitimate donations aren't marketed as investment products with guaranteed returns. For vetting a tax attorney, ask these specific questions: 1) Have you defended clients in IRS audits of similar charitable donation schemes? 2) What's your success rate in these cases? 3) Can you provide examples of when you've advised clients NOT to proceed with a transaction? A good attorney will have war stories and won't be afraid to kill a deal if it's problematic. Also ask them to explain the economic substance doctrine and how it applies to your situation - if they can't articulate this clearly, find someone else.
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Isabella Silva
I appreciate everyone's detailed responses here - they've been incredibly eye-opening. After reading through all these experiences and doing some additional research on the IRS notices mentioned, I've decided to pass on this volcanic ash scheme entirely. The pattern is clear: these arrangements promise unrealistic returns through tax benefits, rely on inflated appraisals, and consistently result in audits and penalties years later. The fact that my CPA couldn't adequately explain the economic substance or why someone wouldn't just sell the ash at "fair market value" instead of donating it was telling. I'm going to stick with more conventional tax planning strategies and legitimate charitable giving to organizations I actually care about. Sometimes the boring approach is the right approach when it comes to taxes. Thanks everyone for potentially saving me from a very expensive mistake!
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H W
Does anyone have a referral for a company that does this?
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Mei Chen
•I'd strongly advise against looking for companies that promote these volcanic ash donation schemes. Based on all the experiences shared in this thread, these arrangements consistently result in IRS audits, penalties, and having to pay back all the tax savings plus interest. The consensus from multiple people here - including someone who worked at a Big 4 accounting firm - is that these are abusive tax shelters that the IRS actively pursues. Instead of seeking out these risky schemes, consider working with a legitimate tax professional on conventional charitable giving strategies that won't put you at risk of penalties and audit scrutiny.
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Sophia Carter
I'm seeing a lot of great advice here about the risks, but I want to add something from a practical standpoint. Even if you were to proceed with this type of arrangement (which I wouldn't recommend based on everything shared), you need to understand that the IRS has a statute of limitations of 6 years for "substantial understatement" of income, which includes inflated charitable deductions. That means you could be looking at audit risk for 6 full years after filing. During that time, you'd need to maintain all documentation, potentially deal with IRS correspondence, and live with the uncertainty of whether your return will be selected for examination. The stress and potential professional costs (tax attorneys, accountants, etc.) often exceed any tax savings even before you factor in penalties and interest. I've found that legitimate tax planning focuses on long-term wealth building rather than one-time "tricks" that promise massive deductions. If you're looking to reduce your tax burden, consider maxing out retirement contributions, exploring legitimate business expenses if you're self-employed, or making genuine charitable donations to causes you actually support. These strategies may not be as flashy, but they won't keep you awake at night wondering if the IRS is coming after you.
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Demi Hall
•This is such an important point about the extended statute of limitations! Six years is a long time to live with that uncertainty hanging over you. I hadn't considered the ongoing stress factor and potential professional fees during that period. Your advice about focusing on legitimate long-term strategies really resonates with me. I've been getting pitched so many "creative" tax strategies lately, but when you break it down like this, the risk-reward calculation just doesn't make sense. The potential savings get eaten up quickly by professional fees, stress, and the very real possibility of penalties. I'm going to take your suggestion about maxing out retirement contributions more seriously. It might not be as exciting as a 4x tax deduction scheme, but at least I won't spend the next six years checking my mailbox nervously for IRS letters!
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Emily Nguyen-Smith
I've been following this discussion closely, and I have to say the collective wisdom here has been invaluable. What strikes me most is how these volcanic ash and similar schemes all follow the same playbook - promising outsized returns through "creative" structuring while relying on the taxpayer's hope that the IRS won't notice or care. The reality is that the IRS has entire teams dedicated to identifying and dismantling these arrangements. They've seen every variation of the "buy low, donate high" scheme imaginable. When something sounds too good to be true in tax planning, it almost always is. For anyone still considering this type of arrangement, ask yourself: if your accountant pitched you an investment that promised a guaranteed 4x return in the stock market, you'd immediately recognize it as either fraud or extremely high-risk. Tax "investments" should be viewed with the same skepticism. The fact that these schemes market themselves primarily on tax benefits rather than economic merit should be a massive red flag. I'm grateful to everyone who shared their experiences and expertise here. It's discussions like these that help protect fellow taxpayers from making expensive mistakes. Sometimes the most valuable advice is simply "don't do it.
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Abigail bergen
•This entire thread has been a masterclass in recognizing tax scheme red flags. As someone new to this community, I'm amazed at how generous everyone has been with sharing their experiences - both the cautionary tales and the practical resources. What really convinced me to avoid these schemes wasn't just the IRS enforcement risk, but the fundamental question someone raised earlier: if this volcanic ash is truly worth 4x what they paid, why donate it instead of selling it? That simple logic test cuts through all the complex marketing language these promoters use. I'm bookmarking this discussion as a reference for future "opportunities" that come my way. The pattern recognition skills shared here - looking for artificial valuation inflation, promoter connections to appraisers, marketing focused on tax benefits rather than economic substance - these are invaluable tools for any taxpayer. Thanks to everyone who took the time to share their knowledge and experiences. This is exactly the kind of community-driven education that helps protect people from expensive mistakes.
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Mateo Warren
I work as a tax preparer and see these schemes pitched to clients regularly. The volcanic ash arrangement you're describing is almost certainly what the IRS calls a "syndicated conservation transaction" or similar abusive tax shelter. Here's what usually happens: The promoter buys bulk materials (volcanic ash, artwork, patents, etc.) at a low cost, then uses affiliated or friendly appraisers to assign inflated "fair market values." They market these as investment opportunities where the primary benefit is the tax deduction, not any actual economic return. The IRS has been incredibly aggressive in auditing these arrangements. They've developed sophisticated data analytics to identify patterns - when multiple taxpayers claim similar large charitable deductions involving the same types of assets or promoters, it triggers automatic review. Even if you think you have all the right documentation, these transactions often fail the "economic substance" test because there's no legitimate business purpose beyond tax avoidance. My advice: if the tax benefits are being marketed as the main reason to invest, walk away. Legitimate investments make economic sense independent of tax considerations. The 4x return through deductions should be your biggest red flag - that's not how real charitable giving works.
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Paolo Moretti
•This is exactly the kind of professional insight I was hoping to see in this thread. As someone who's been burned by questionable tax advice in the past, I really appreciate you explaining the IRS's data analytics approach to identifying these schemes. The fact that they can spot patterns across multiple taxpayers claiming similar deductions is something I hadn't considered. Your point about the "economic substance" test is crucial - it's not enough to have proper documentation if the underlying transaction has no legitimate business purpose. I'm curious, in your experience as a tax preparer, have you ever seen clients successfully defend these types of arrangements during an audit, or do they pretty much always result in the deductions being disallowed? Also, when clients come to you with these opportunities, what's your standard approach for helping them evaluate whether something is legitimate tax planning versus an abusive shelter? Are there specific questions you ask or red flags you look for beyond the obvious "tax benefits as primary selling point" indicator?
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Amun-Ra Azra
As someone who's been in tax compliance for over 15 years, I can tell you that these volcanic ash schemes are textbook abusive tax shelters. The IRS has specific enforcement teams that do nothing but hunt down these arrangements, and they've gotten very good at it. What many people don't realize is that even if you have all the "required" documentation - the appraisals, the donation receipts, the LLC paperwork - none of that matters if the IRS determines the transaction lacks economic substance. They'll look at the entire arrangement and ask: would a reasonable person engage in this transaction if there were no tax benefits? With these volcanic ash deals, the answer is obviously no. I've seen clients get audited 4-5 years after filing, thinking they were in the clear. The IRS has extended statutes of limitations for these cases, and they're not afraid to use them. When they disallow the deductions, you owe back taxes, penalties (usually 20-40%), and interest that compounds over the entire period. I've seen people lose their homes over these schemes. The promoters always disappear when the audits start, leaving taxpayers to face the music alone. Don't let the promise of short-term tax savings destroy your long-term financial security. There are plenty of legitimate ways to reduce your tax burden without playing Russian roulette with the IRS.
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Taylor Chen
•This is terrifying but exactly what I needed to hear. The idea that audits can happen 4-5 years later when you think you're safe is particularly sobering. I've been getting pressure from multiple sources to "act fast" on various tax strategies before year-end, but your point about the promoters disappearing when audits start really hits home. Can I ask - in the cases where you've seen people lose their homes, was that primarily due to the accumulated penalties and interest, or were there other factors involved? I'm trying to understand the full scope of potential financial damage beyond just paying back the original tax savings. Also, you mentioned there are legitimate ways to reduce tax burden. For someone in a high tax bracket looking for meaningful tax reduction strategies, what would you typically recommend as starting points that don't carry this kind of audit risk?
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