Are Guaranteed Payments from a Real Estate Investment Partnership Subject to Self-Employment Tax?

So here's the deal with guaranteed payments and SE tax - it comes down to whether the partnership itself is engaged in a trade or business activity, not just what kind of income it generates. Even though your partnership is primarily generating capital gains and passive income from real estate investments, the guaranteed payments are treated differently. Generally, guaranteed payments are considered "earned income" and are subject to self-employment tax regardless of the partnership's primary activities. This is because guaranteed payments are essentially compensation for services rendered to the partnership. However, there's an important distinction to consider in your case. If the partnership is genuinely just a passive investment vehicle with no business activities whatsoever (no management services, no development, literally just holding assets), there might be an argument that the guaranteed payments could avoid SE tax. But the IRS tends to interpret "trade or business" pretty broadly when it comes to partnerships.

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No one's mentioned that the character of the guaranteed payment might depend on what they're for. If they're for use of capital, they might be treated differently than payments for services. IRC Section 707(c) says guaranteed payments are considered as made to someone who isn't a partner, but only for purposes of Sections 61 and 162. So a guaranteed payment for services would be subject to SE tax, but a guaranteed payment for use of capital might not be. Check out Rev. Rul. 81-300 and 81-301 which specifically address guaranteed payments for capital.

My CPA told me that most real estate partnerships are considered "trades or businesses" by the IRS even if they're just holding properties for appreciation. The activities involved in selecting properties, managing investments, etc. often cross the threshold into business activities. If you're really trying to avoid SE tax, have you considered restructuring as an S-Corp instead? The partnership could distribute profits as distributions rather than guaranteed payments which wouldn't be subject to SE tax.

The Section 707(c) analysis is crucial here, but there's another angle to consider - the "material participation" test from Section 469. Even if your partnership is primarily holding real estate investments, if the partner receiving guaranteed payments materially participates in the partnership activities (which could include investment selection, property management decisions, financing arrangements, etc.), those guaranteed payments will likely be subject to SE tax. The IRS has been pretty aggressive in recent years about treating real estate investment activities as trades or businesses, especially when there's active management involved. Even if you're holding properties long-term, activities like tenant relations, maintenance oversight, refinancing decisions, or regular investment analysis can push you into "business" territory. Before restructuring, I'd strongly recommend getting a private letter ruling from the IRS if the amounts are significant. The cost of the ruling might be worth it compared to potential penalties and interest if you guess wrong on the SE tax treatment.