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Sebastián Stevens

Setting up a salary when running a partnership business - tax implications

So my friend and I are starting a business together and we're setting it up as a partnership. The thing is, I'm going to be doing most of the actual work running the day-to-day operations while my buddy is basically just investing the startup capital. We've agreed that I should get some kind of regular payment for the work I'm putting in, but I'm confused about how this works tax-wise. I know in a regular job I'd get a W-2, but this is different since I'm a partner, right? How do I actually take money out of the business as the working partner? Is it considered a distribution? A guaranteed payment? Something else entirely? Also wondering how this affects our partnership tax filing and my personal taxes. Really appreciate any insights because we're just getting started and want to set this up correctly from the beginning!

What you're looking for is called a "guaranteed payment" in partnership tax terms. Since you're a partner and not an employee, you can't receive a W-2 salary from your own partnership. Guaranteed payments are essentially payments made to a partner regardless of the partnership's income - they're guaranteed! These are reported on your Schedule K-1 from the partnership (not a W-2) and flow through to your personal tax return. The partnership can deduct these payments as a business expense, similar to how other businesses deduct employee wages. One important thing to note: unlike regular W-2 income, guaranteed payments are subject to self-employment tax (both the employer and employee portions of Social Security and Medicare taxes). This means you'll need to make quarterly estimated tax payments since you won't have withholding like you would with a regular job.

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Thanks for explaining, but I'm still a bit confused. If I'm getting guaranteed payments, do those count toward my partnership share too? Like if we agreed to a 50/50 split but I'm also getting these payments, does that change the split?

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Good question. Guaranteed payments are separate from your share of partnership profits. Let's say your partnership makes $100,000 in profit before your guaranteed payment of $40,000. After deducting your guaranteed payment, the partnership has $60,000 in net profit. If you have a 50/50 split, you and your partner would each receive $30,000 of that remaining profit. So in total, you'd receive $40,000 (guaranteed payment) + $30,000 (your share of remaining profits) = $70,000, while your partner would receive $30,000. This arrangement recognizes both your work contribution through guaranteed payments and your capital investment through profit distribution.

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I've seen a lot of tax tools that claim to help with business structures but then just give generic advice you could get anywhere. Does this actually provide personalized guidance or is it just another glorified FAQ?

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Another option worth considering is taking distributions instead of guaranteed payments, depending on your circumstances. If the partnership has enough profit, you can take draws against your capital account instead. Main difference: distributions aren't subject to self-employment tax, while guaranteed payments are. But distributions can only be taken in proportion to ownership and only if there's enough basis in your capital account.

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But wouldn't that be a problem if one partner is working and the other isn't? If they take equal distributions, the working partner isn't getting compensated for their labor, right?

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You're absolutely right - that's the key limitation with distributions. If one partner is working in the business and the other isn't, distributions alone won't fairly compensate the working partner since they must be proportional to ownership. That's precisely why guaranteed payments exist - to compensate a partner for services rendered regardless of their ownership percentage. The best approach is often a combination: guaranteed payments for the value of services, then distributions based on ownership percentage for the remaining profits. This creates fairness while optimizing the tax situation.

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Make sure whoever does your taxes understands partnership taxation! I learned this the hard way - had an accountant who normally just did individual returns try to handle our partnership, and they completely messed up how they reported my guaranteed payments. Ended up having to file an amended return.

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Any recommendations for finding someone who actually knows partnership tax well? My regular tax guy already warned me he doesn't do many partnerships.

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One thing I don't see mentioned yet is the timing aspect of guaranteed payments. Unlike regular employee paychecks, you have flexibility in when you take guaranteed payments throughout the year, but you need to be strategic about it for cash flow and tax planning. I'd recommend setting up a regular monthly guaranteed payment schedule rather than taking lump sums. This helps with budgeting and makes quarterly estimated tax payments more predictable. Also, since guaranteed payments are deductible to the partnership, timing them can help manage the partnership's taxable income if you have a particularly profitable year. Just remember that guaranteed payments are considered "earned" when they're determined, not necessarily when they're paid out, so keep good records of when payments are authorized versus when cash actually changes hands.

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This is really helpful timing advice! I'm curious about the quarterly estimated tax payments - since guaranteed payments don't have withholding like regular wages, how do you calculate what you need to pay each quarter? Is it just based on your expected guaranteed payments for the year, or do you also need to factor in your share of partnership profits when estimating? Also, when you mention payments are "earned" when determined vs. when paid - does this mean if the partnership authorizes a $5,000 guaranteed payment in December but doesn't actually transfer the money until January, it still counts as income for the December tax year?

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