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Emily Sanjay

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Has anyone had luck filing with a substitute W-2 (Form 4852)? My employer went out of business in November and I can't get anyone to respond about my incorrect W-2. I have all my pay stubs but I'm nervous about using the substitute form.

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I used Form 4852 two years ago when my former employer never sent my W-2. It was actually pretty straightforward - you just need your last pay stub with the YTD totals. My refund was delayed by about 3 weeks while the IRS verified everything, but otherwise no issues.

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Sayid Hassan

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I'm dealing with almost the exact same situation! My Box 2 is showing $0 even though I had federal taxes withheld all year. I checked my final pay stub and it shows over $3,800 in federal withholding, but my W-2 has nothing in that box. I contacted my HR department yesterday and they're saying it might take 2-3 weeks to issue a corrected W-2. I'm getting worried about the filing deadline since we're already in April. One thing that's confusing me though - when I look at my online payroll portal, all my pay stubs show the federal tax deductions, but when I add them up manually, I get a slightly different total than what my final pay stub shows as YTD. Has anyone else noticed small discrepancies like this? I'm wondering if there were some adjustments made that I'm not seeing. @Aria Park - definitely don't file until you get this resolved. I made that mistake once before with a different tax issue and it created a huge headache with the IRS.

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Yuki Sato

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@Sayid Hassan - those small discrepancies you re'seeing between manually adding up your pay stubs and your final YTD total are pretty common. There could be several reasons for this: 1. Mid-year tax table updates that caused slight adjustments to withholding rates 2. Bonus payments that had different withholding calculations 3. Pre-tax deductions like (health insurance or 401k that) changed during the year 4. Rounding differences in payroll systems The important thing is that your final December pay stub should be the most accurate since it includes any end-of-year adjustments your payroll system made. Use that YTD total when you re'working with HR to get your corrected W-2. If you re'worried about the April deadline and HR is taking too long, you might want to look into the services others mentioned here like taxr.ai to help document the discrepancy, or Claimyr to get through to the IRS if you need to file Form 4852 as a backup plan. Don t'let this stress you out too much - these W-2 errors are more common than you d'think!

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Property Tax Dilemma: Pay Old Taxes or Wait for New Tax Bill?

Hey folks, I'm pretty confused about navigating property taxes and could use some advice. I've recently taken over handling my parents-in-law's finances and discovered something concerning. Turns out my father-in-law hasn't been paying their property taxes since 2019, and their HELOC (Home Equity Line of Credit) has been covering these payments instead. The bank has essentially been paying the property taxes on their behalf all this time. We've finally gotten a handle on their finances after sorting through various unpaid bills and errors, but now I'm unsure about the best approach for their property taxes. Should I start paying the backed-up 2024 taxes that already have interest accruing, or wait for the 2025 taxes to be posted? Currently, I have enough saved to cover January and February 2025 payments, but their annual property taxes are around $13,500, so it's definitely not a small amount! If I start paying the 2024 taxes now, I feel like I'll always be playing catch-up. From what I've observed, it takes the town approximately 6-7 months to request property tax payments from the bank. Would it make more sense to: 1. Save the money, let the bank pay the remainder of 2024 taxes through the HELOC, then pay the entire 2025 taxes directly to the town when they're due? 2. Start paying whatever's left of the 2024 taxes now, even though I'll be behind and paying interest? I have zero experience with how property taxes work and what approach would be most financially beneficial for them. Any advice would be hugely appreciated!

Has anyone mentioned the tax implications? When property taxes are paid through a HELOC, they're not automatically deductible on income taxes like they might be if paid directly. You have to itemize the HELOC interest correctly. Make sure whoever does their taxes knows about this situation!

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NebulaNinja

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This is actually a really important point. The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act changed how HELOC interest deductions work. Now HELOC interest is only deductible if the loan was used for buying, building or substantially improving the home. Since these HELOC funds were used to pay property taxes, that interest might not be deductible at all.

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I've been through something very similar with my elderly parents, and I'd definitely recommend breaking the HELOC cycle now rather than later. Here's what worked for us: First, contact your town's tax collector office directly to get the exact balance owed for 2024 and ask about payment plan options. Many municipalities offer interest-free payment plans for seniors or families dealing with financial hardship - this could save you hundreds in penalties. Second, definitely look into all the senior exemptions others have mentioned. Beyond veteran benefits, many states have "circuit breaker" programs that limit property tax increases for seniors on fixed incomes. Some also offer deferrals that let seniors delay tax payments until the property is sold. The key insight I learned: every month you let the HELOC handle this, you're paying compound interest (HELOC rate on the tax amount plus any municipal penalties). We calculated we were losing about $200/month by not addressing it directly. I'd suggest calling the tax office first thing Monday morning - in my experience, they're actually quite helpful when you explain you're managing elderly parents' finances and want to get caught up. They may even waive some penalties if you show good faith by setting up a payment plan.

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Oliver Cheng

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This is really helpful advice! I'm curious about the "circuit breaker" programs you mentioned - is that something that varies by state or do most places have them? And when you contacted your tax office, did they require any specific documentation to prove the financial hardship situation? I'm wondering if there's a standard process for these conversations or if it's more informal. My in-laws are pretty private about their finances and I want to make sure I have everything ready before making that call so I don't waste anyone's time.

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Another factor that could explain the difference is if you have student loan interest deductions. If you're paying student loans and she isn't, you can deduct up to $2,500 in student loan interest, which would reduce your taxable income and potentially explain part of that $1,350 refund difference. Also worth checking if either of you contributed to a traditional IRA during the tax year - that's another above-the-line deduction that reduces taxable income. Even a $1,000 IRA contribution could create a meaningful difference in your final tax liability compared to someone who didn't contribute.

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That's a great point about student loans! I do pay about $180/month in student loan interest, so that deduction probably helps. I hadn't thought about IRA contributions either - I should look into that for next year. It's interesting how all these little differences add up to create such a big gap in our refunds even though our base salaries are so similar.

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Liam O'Connor

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This is a really common situation that confuses a lot of people! The key thing to understand is that a refund isn't necessarily "good" - it just means you overpaid your taxes throughout the year. Your coworker who owes $15 actually had her withholding dialed in almost perfectly. Looking at all the responses here, it's likely a combination of factors: your 401k contributions (which reduce taxable income), different health insurance situations, student loan interest deductions, and possibly different W-4 setups. The 8% 401k contribution you mentioned is probably the biggest factor - that's over $5,000 less in taxable income compared to your coworker. If you want to get more money in your paychecks instead of waiting for a big refund, consider updating your W-4 to account for these deductions. The IRS withholding calculator can help you figure out the right amount to have withheld so you break even (or close to it) next year.

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This is such a helpful breakdown! I'm new to understanding taxes beyond just filing them, and this thread has been really eye-opening. It sounds like the original poster (@Victoria Jones is) actually in a pretty good financial position with the 401k contributions and student loan payments, even if it means a bigger refund. I m'curious though - when people talk about updating the W-4 to get the withholding right, "is" there a risk of accidentally owing a lot at tax time if you miscalculate? I d'rather get a refund than have to come up with a big payment in April, but I also see the point about getting more money throughout the year.

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Noah Ali

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Just a heads up - don't forget to consider state filing requirements too! Depending on your state, you might need to file additional self-employment forms at the state level. I learned this the hard way last year 😭

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Good point! My state (Oregon) required a separate Schedule OR-PTE-FY form for my 1099 income that I almost missed.

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I'm in almost the exact same boat - W-2 from my day job plus a 1099-NEC from some freelance work I picked up. After reading through all these responses, I'm definitely leaning toward checking out FreeTaxUSA instead of paying the premium for TurboTax Self-Employed. One thing I'd add is to make sure you track any business expenses related to your 1099 work - things like equipment, supplies, mileage, or even a portion of your internet bill if you worked from home. These can really help offset the self-employment tax burden. I wish I had been better about tracking expenses throughout the year instead of scrambling to remember everything now at filing time. Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences - this thread has been super helpful!

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Great point about tracking expenses! I'm new to this whole 1099 situation too and didn't realize how many things could be deductible. Do you know if there's a minimum threshold for business expenses to be worth claiming? I probably only have a few hundred dollars in expenses from my side work but wasn't sure if that was worth the hassle of itemizing everything on Schedule C.

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Anyone have experience with the IRS payment plan options? If I've already missed two quarters, should I just pay a big chunk now or try to set up some kind of plan?

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Raul Neal

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I went through this last year. Your best bet is to make a large payment now for what you've missed, then get on schedule for the remaining quarters. The IRS payment plans are more for when you file your taxes and can't pay the bill in full. For quarterly estimated payments, you're better off catching up and staying current.

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Great advice in this thread! Just to add - if you're already behind on quarters like the OP, don't panic but definitely act fast. I was in a similar spot with about $180k in 1099 income and no quarterly payments made. What saved me was calculating my total tax liability for the year and making one large estimated payment immediately to cover what I should have paid in Q1 and Q2, then getting on a proper quarterly schedule for the rest of the year. The key is using Form 1040-ES to calculate what you actually owe. For $270k in income, you're probably looking at around $60-70k in total tax liability (including self-employment tax), so you'd want to pay roughly $15-17k per quarter. The sooner you catch up, the less the penalties will accumulate. The IRS Direct Pay system makes it pretty straightforward once you know your numbers.

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Lim Wong

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Thanks for breaking down the numbers! That $60-70k total tax liability estimate is really helpful. I'm wondering though - when you made that large catch-up payment, did you have to specify which quarters it was for, or does the IRS just apply it to your account? I'm worried about making a mistake with the paperwork since I've never dealt with estimated payments before.

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