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Has anyone had luck filing with a substitute W-2 (Form 4852)? My employer went out of business in November and I can't get anyone to respond about my incorrect W-2. I have all my pay stubs but I'm nervous about using the substitute form.
I'm dealing with almost the exact same situation! My Box 2 is showing $0 even though I had federal taxes withheld all year. I checked my final pay stub and it shows over $3,800 in federal withholding, but my W-2 has nothing in that box. I contacted my HR department yesterday and they're saying it might take 2-3 weeks to issue a corrected W-2. I'm getting worried about the filing deadline since we're already in April. One thing that's confusing me though - when I look at my online payroll portal, all my pay stubs show the federal tax deductions, but when I add them up manually, I get a slightly different total than what my final pay stub shows as YTD. Has anyone else noticed small discrepancies like this? I'm wondering if there were some adjustments made that I'm not seeing. @Aria Park - definitely don't file until you get this resolved. I made that mistake once before with a different tax issue and it created a huge headache with the IRS.
@Sayid Hassan - those small discrepancies you re'seeing between manually adding up your pay stubs and your final YTD total are pretty common. There could be several reasons for this: 1. Mid-year tax table updates that caused slight adjustments to withholding rates 2. Bonus payments that had different withholding calculations 3. Pre-tax deductions like (health insurance or 401k that) changed during the year 4. Rounding differences in payroll systems The important thing is that your final December pay stub should be the most accurate since it includes any end-of-year adjustments your payroll system made. Use that YTD total when you re'working with HR to get your corrected W-2. If you re'worried about the April deadline and HR is taking too long, you might want to look into the services others mentioned here like taxr.ai to help document the discrepancy, or Claimyr to get through to the IRS if you need to file Form 4852 as a backup plan. Don t'let this stress you out too much - these W-2 errors are more common than you d'think!
Has anyone mentioned the tax implications? When property taxes are paid through a HELOC, they're not automatically deductible on income taxes like they might be if paid directly. You have to itemize the HELOC interest correctly. Make sure whoever does their taxes knows about this situation!
This is actually a really important point. The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act changed how HELOC interest deductions work. Now HELOC interest is only deductible if the loan was used for buying, building or substantially improving the home. Since these HELOC funds were used to pay property taxes, that interest might not be deductible at all.
I've been through something very similar with my elderly parents, and I'd definitely recommend breaking the HELOC cycle now rather than later. Here's what worked for us: First, contact your town's tax collector office directly to get the exact balance owed for 2024 and ask about payment plan options. Many municipalities offer interest-free payment plans for seniors or families dealing with financial hardship - this could save you hundreds in penalties. Second, definitely look into all the senior exemptions others have mentioned. Beyond veteran benefits, many states have "circuit breaker" programs that limit property tax increases for seniors on fixed incomes. Some also offer deferrals that let seniors delay tax payments until the property is sold. The key insight I learned: every month you let the HELOC handle this, you're paying compound interest (HELOC rate on the tax amount plus any municipal penalties). We calculated we were losing about $200/month by not addressing it directly. I'd suggest calling the tax office first thing Monday morning - in my experience, they're actually quite helpful when you explain you're managing elderly parents' finances and want to get caught up. They may even waive some penalties if you show good faith by setting up a payment plan.
This is really helpful advice! I'm curious about the "circuit breaker" programs you mentioned - is that something that varies by state or do most places have them? And when you contacted your tax office, did they require any specific documentation to prove the financial hardship situation? I'm wondering if there's a standard process for these conversations or if it's more informal. My in-laws are pretty private about their finances and I want to make sure I have everything ready before making that call so I don't waste anyone's time.
Another factor that could explain the difference is if you have student loan interest deductions. If you're paying student loans and she isn't, you can deduct up to $2,500 in student loan interest, which would reduce your taxable income and potentially explain part of that $1,350 refund difference. Also worth checking if either of you contributed to a traditional IRA during the tax year - that's another above-the-line deduction that reduces taxable income. Even a $1,000 IRA contribution could create a meaningful difference in your final tax liability compared to someone who didn't contribute.
That's a great point about student loans! I do pay about $180/month in student loan interest, so that deduction probably helps. I hadn't thought about IRA contributions either - I should look into that for next year. It's interesting how all these little differences add up to create such a big gap in our refunds even though our base salaries are so similar.
This is a really common situation that confuses a lot of people! The key thing to understand is that a refund isn't necessarily "good" - it just means you overpaid your taxes throughout the year. Your coworker who owes $15 actually had her withholding dialed in almost perfectly. Looking at all the responses here, it's likely a combination of factors: your 401k contributions (which reduce taxable income), different health insurance situations, student loan interest deductions, and possibly different W-4 setups. The 8% 401k contribution you mentioned is probably the biggest factor - that's over $5,000 less in taxable income compared to your coworker. If you want to get more money in your paychecks instead of waiting for a big refund, consider updating your W-4 to account for these deductions. The IRS withholding calculator can help you figure out the right amount to have withheld so you break even (or close to it) next year.
This is such a helpful breakdown! I'm new to understanding taxes beyond just filing them, and this thread has been really eye-opening. It sounds like the original poster (@Victoria Jones is) actually in a pretty good financial position with the 401k contributions and student loan payments, even if it means a bigger refund. I m'curious though - when people talk about updating the W-4 to get the withholding right, "is" there a risk of accidentally owing a lot at tax time if you miscalculate? I d'rather get a refund than have to come up with a big payment in April, but I also see the point about getting more money throughout the year.
Just a heads up - don't forget to consider state filing requirements too! Depending on your state, you might need to file additional self-employment forms at the state level. I learned this the hard way last year š
I'm in almost the exact same boat - W-2 from my day job plus a 1099-NEC from some freelance work I picked up. After reading through all these responses, I'm definitely leaning toward checking out FreeTaxUSA instead of paying the premium for TurboTax Self-Employed. One thing I'd add is to make sure you track any business expenses related to your 1099 work - things like equipment, supplies, mileage, or even a portion of your internet bill if you worked from home. These can really help offset the self-employment tax burden. I wish I had been better about tracking expenses throughout the year instead of scrambling to remember everything now at filing time. Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences - this thread has been super helpful!
Great point about tracking expenses! I'm new to this whole 1099 situation too and didn't realize how many things could be deductible. Do you know if there's a minimum threshold for business expenses to be worth claiming? I probably only have a few hundred dollars in expenses from my side work but wasn't sure if that was worth the hassle of itemizing everything on Schedule C.
Fatima Al-Hashemi
I'm dealing with a very similar situation right now - sold my primary residence in November and bought a new one in August, so I had overlapping mortgages for a few months. The mortgage interest calculation has been giving me nightmares! After reading through all these responses, I think I'm going to try the simplified average balance method that @Margot Quinn mentioned. It seems like the most straightforward approach and my tax software should be able to handle it easily. One question though - when you're calculating the average balance, do you include the principal payments made during the year or just use the outstanding balance at the end of each month? I want to make sure I'm doing this correctly before I file. Also, has anyone here actually been audited on this specific issue? I'm curious if the IRS really does scrutinize the calculation method or if they're more concerned with whether you're claiming too much interest overall.
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Nora Bennett
ā¢For the average balance calculation, you should use the outstanding balance at the end of each month after principal payments have been made. That gives you the most accurate picture of what you actually owed during each period. I haven't been audited on this specific issue, but I did have a friend who went through an audit a couple years ago for mortgage interest. The IRS examiner was mainly focused on making sure the total interest claimed matched the 1098 forms and that the taxpayer had a reasonable method for applying the debt limit. They didn't seem to care whether it was the simplified average method or the month-by-month calculation, as long as it was consistent and well-documented. @Margot Quinn s'simplified approach really is the way to go if you want to keep things straightforward. Just make sure you keep all your mortgage statements showing the monthly balances in case you ever need to support your calculation.
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Chloe Delgado
I went through this exact scenario two years ago and learned some hard lessons that might help you avoid my mistakes. The key thing I wish I'd known upfront is that you need to be super careful about how you track the dates and balances. When I first tried to calculate this myself, I made the error of using my closing dates instead of the actual months I was making payments. The IRS looks at when you're actually obligated to pay interest, not just when you technically owned the properties. So for your September overlap month, make sure you're only counting the interest you actually paid on both mortgages during that specific period. Also, keep detailed records of every payment you made. I ended up having to reconstruct my payment history from bank statements because my mortgage servicer's year-end statement didn't clearly show the month-by-month breakdown I needed. It was a nightmare during tax prep. One more tip - if your new mortgage had any points or origination fees, those might be deductible separately from the regular interest, but they have their own rules about whether you can deduct them all in year one or need to amortize them over the life of the loan. Don't forget to check on that piece too.
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KhalilStar
ā¢This is incredibly helpful advice, thank you! I'm just starting to work through my mortgage interest calculations and I hadn't even thought about the distinction between ownership dates vs. payment dates. That could have really tripped me up. Quick question about the points you mentioned - if I paid points on my new mortgage in September, but the loan was for more than $750k, do I need to apply the same proportional limitation to the points deduction? Or are points treated differently than regular mortgage interest when it comes to the debt limit? Also, did you end up using one of the online tools that others mentioned, or did you stick with manual calculations after learning from your initial mistakes?
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