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Caleb Stark

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I just wanted to thank everyone for all the detailed advice in this thread! As someone who's been casually playing on these platforms but completely ignoring the tax implications, this has been a real wake-up call. I've been tracking my overall wins/losses in my head but clearly need to get much more organized about record keeping. The Google Sheets approach that @Leo McDonald mentioned sounds perfect - simple but comprehensive enough to handle everything I need for tax purposes. One thing I'm still unclear about though - if I had a really good month early in the year but then gave back most of those winnings in subsequent months, how does that affect my tax liability? Do I owe taxes on the gross winnings from my best month, or can I offset those with later losses within the same tax year? I'm asking because I had a hot streak in March where I won about $2,800, but then went through a rough patch and gave back about $2,100 of that by June. Want to make sure I understand what I actually owe taxes on before I start setting money aside for quarterly payments. Also planning to download all my transaction histories this weekend before I forget. Thanks again to everyone who shared their experiences - this thread is going to save a lot of people from making costly mistakes!

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Samantha Hall

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@Caleb Stark Great question about the timing of wins vs losses! For tax purposes, you ll'owe taxes on your total gross winnings for the entire tax year - so in your case, that $2,800 from March plus any other winnings you had throughout the year, regardless of when the losses occurred. The losses from your rough patch can potentially offset those winnings, but only if you itemize deductions on Schedule A rather (than taking the standard deduction .)Since you d'list gambling losses as an itemized deduction, you can deduct up to the amount of your winnings - so your $2,100 in losses could reduce your taxable gambling income. However, given that the standard deduction is $13,850 for single filers, you d'need that $2,100 in gambling losses PLUS other itemizable deductions mortgage (interest, charitable contributions, etc. to) exceed the standard deduction for it to be worthwhile. If your total itemized deductions don t'beat $13,850, you re'better off taking the standard deduction and just paying taxes on the full gross winnings. The key thing to remember is that it s'an annual calculation, not month-by-month. So your March hot streak and June losses both count toward your 2024 tax year totals. Definitely get those transaction histories downloaded - they ll'show you exactly what your net position was for the year!

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I'm dealing with a very similar situation and this thread has been incredibly helpful! I've been playing on Underdog and PrizePicks for about 6 months and have around $2,400 in net winnings, but like many others here, I had no clue about the tax implications until now. After reading through all the advice, I immediately went and downloaded my transaction histories from both platforms. Found them exactly where people mentioned - under Account Settings for PrizePicks and buried under Account > History for Underdog. The CSV exports are actually pretty detailed and show everything I need. One thing I noticed that might help others - both platforms also show your "net deposits" vs "net withdrawals" in their account summaries, which gives you a quick sanity check on whether you're actually up or down for the year before diving into the detailed transaction logs. I'm definitely going to start that Google Sheets tracking system going forward and set up automatic transfers to a separate tax account. Based on the 25-30% rule mentioned throughout this thread, I should be setting aside about $600-720 for taxes on my current winnings. Thanks especially to everyone who shared specific details about finding the transaction histories and explained the itemized vs standard deduction decision. This community knowledge is way more practical than anything I could find through official IRS resources!

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Omar Farouk

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@Jungleboo Soletrain That s'a great point about checking the net "deposits vs" net "withdrawals as" a quick sanity check! I hadn t'thought to look at that summary view first before diving into the detailed transaction logs. Your math on setting aside $600-720 sounds right for $2,400 in winnings. I d'probably lean toward the higher end 30% (just) to be safe, especially since you mentioned you re'planning to keep playing. Better to have a little extra set aside than to come up short at tax time. One thing I learned from my experience last year - make sure when you re'setting up those automatic transfers that you re'basing it on your actual withdrawals, not just your account balance. I made the mistake of only transferring tax money when I cashed out, but forgot that I still owed taxes on winnings that I left in my account to keep playing with. The Google Sheets system really is a game-changer for staying organized. Takes literally 30 seconds after each session but saves hours of headache later. Definitely start that habit now while you re'thinking about it!

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Sean Kelly

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Has anyone addressed the retirement account angle here? One major benefit of S-corp employment is that you can contribute to a Solo 401k as both employer and employee. If you're not on payroll anymore, you're missing that opportunity. When I cut back my S-corp involvement, I kept myself on a minimal salary partly to maintain my retirement contributions. Worth considering if retirement planning is important to you.

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Zara Malik

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I actually switched to contributing more to my new employer's 401k to make up the difference when I took myself off my S-corp payroll. If the new job has decent retirement benefits, it might not be worth the extra payroll taxes just to get the Solo 401k benefits.

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This is a really common situation post-COVID, and you're handling it correctly from what I can see. Since you're not performing any services for the S-corp anymore and your parents are properly W2'd as the actual workers, you shouldn't need to take a salary. The key documentation points others mentioned are crucial though. I'd add that you should also keep records of your new W2 employment showing you're working full-time elsewhere - this helps demonstrate you're not available to provide substantial services to your S-corp. One thing to watch out for: if you're still involved in any major business decisions (like whether to take on new clients, major expense approvals, etc.), document exactly what those activities are and how minimal they are. The IRS generally looks for a pattern of regular, ongoing services rather than occasional ownership decisions. Your situation sounds legitimate, but having clear documentation will save you headaches if you ever get questioned about it.

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Mei Chen

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This is really helpful advice about documenting the transition. I'm curious though - what exactly counts as "major business decisions" that might still require salary? For example, if I'm still the one who has to sign the annual corporate tax return or approve the accountant's fees, does that cross the line into substantial services? I want to make sure I'm not inadvertently creating a problem by handling these basic ownership responsibilities.

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Has your accountant run the cash flow projections for both scenarios? When we bought our last work truck, our CPA showed us that even though buying gave us the Section 179 deduction, the monthly lease payments were lower than loan payments would have been, which helped our cash flow during our expansion phase.

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Zainab Yusuf

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This is the real question. Tax deductions are great, but cash flow is king, especially during expansion. We leased our delivery vehicles despite the Section 179 benefits of buying because we needed that cash for other investments that had better returns than tax savings.

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Another thing to consider: maintenance costs! When we leased our company vehicles, all maintenance was included. When we purchased, those repair bills added up fast, especially after warranty expired. This doesn't show up in the initial buy vs lease calculations but made a huge difference over time.

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One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is the timing of when you actually need the deduction. Since you mentioned you're already showing high expenses this year from expansion, you might not need the full Section 179 benefit right now. If your business is projecting significantly better profits next year, that larger deduction could be more valuable when you're in a higher tax bracket. Also, with a $130k vehicle, make sure you understand exactly what type it is for tax purposes. The Section 179 limits vary dramatically - if it's a luxury SUV under 14,000 pounds, you're capped at around $28,900 regardless of the purchase price. But if it's a heavy-duty truck or van over 14,000 pounds, you could potentially deduct the full amount. Have you considered a hybrid approach? Some dealers offer lease-to-own programs where you can start with lower monthly payments and decide later whether to purchase based on how your business performs.

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LunarLegend

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That's a really good point about timing the deduction when it's most valuable. I'm curious though - if they decide to wait until next year to purchase when their profits are higher, wouldn't they miss out on this year's Section 179 limits? And what if the limits change for 2025? Sometimes it's better to use the deduction when you know it's available rather than gambling on future tax law changes. The hybrid lease-to-own approach sounds interesting too. Do those programs typically allow you to apply lease payments toward the purchase price, or do you essentially start over with financing if you decide to buy?

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Just a heads up that HR Block and TurboTax both handle these 1099-R Code G situations pretty well. If you use either software, they'll walk you through the right questions to determine what type of transaction it was and how to report it.

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I used TurboTax last year and it still confused me with a similar situation. It kept asking if I did a rollover when technically it was an in-plan conversion. I ended up having to call their support line to sort it out.

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Caesar Grant

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I had a very similar situation last year and it turned out to be exactly what others have mentioned - an in-plan Roth conversion that I had completely forgotten about! The key thing to remember is that when you convert traditional 401k money (which was contributed pre-tax) to Roth 401k money (which grows tax-free), you have to pay income tax on the converted amount. That's why you're seeing a taxable amount in box 2a even though you didn't "withdraw" anything. Code G on a 1099-R doesn't always mean a traditional rollover between different accounts. It can also indicate in-plan conversions, automatic plan transfers when providers change, or other internal movements of retirement funds. Since you mentioned finding paperwork about "optimizing your retirement tax strategy," this almost certainly sounds like an in-plan Roth conversion. The good news is there's no early withdrawal penalty - you just need to include that amount as taxable income for the year. Make sure to report the 1099-R correctly on your tax return, and consider setting aside money for the tax bill if you haven't already. Definitely confirm with your plan administrator, but this sounds very straightforward once you know what happened!

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Amina Sow

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This is really helpful! I'm dealing with a similar situation where I got a 1099-R with code G and had no idea what it meant. Reading through this thread, it sounds like in-plan Roth conversions are way more common than I realized. Quick question - when you say "set aside money for the tax bill," roughly what percentage of the converted amount should someone expect to pay in taxes? I'm trying to figure out if I need to adjust my withholdings or make an estimated payment to avoid penalties. Also, did you have any issues with your tax software recognizing this as a conversion versus trying to treat it as a regular rollover? Want to make sure I don't mess up the reporting.

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Miguel Diaz

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Quick suggestion - have you considered forming an actual LLC for your rental property? When my sister and I owned a duplex together with a similar arrangement, our CPA recommended creating an LLC and filing as a partnership (Form 1065). This made the management fee situation much cleaner tax-wise. The LLC would pay my sister a management fee, issue her a 1099, and then we'd get K-1s for our ownership percentages of the remaining profits. Saved us a bunch of headaches and potential audit flags.

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Zainab Ahmed

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I did this too and it works great! Just make sure you understand the state filing requirements for LLCs. Some states have annual fees that can be pretty steep (looking at you, California). And you'll need to file that 1065 partnership return every year, which adds some cost and complexity.

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Based on what everyone's shared here, it sounds like you're on the right track with treating that 5% as a deductible management fee. I went through something similar with my rental condo and learned a few things the hard way. The key points I'd emphasize: 1) Get that arrangement in writing ASAP if you haven't already - doesn't need to be fancy, just clearly state what services your brother provides for the 5% fee. 2) Make sure you're both handling it correctly on your returns - you deduct it as a business expense, he reports it as self-employment income on Schedule C. 3) Keep detailed monthly records showing the calculation. One thing that caught me off guard was the 1099-NEC requirement mentioned by Ava - if that 5% adds up to more than $600 for the year, you technically need to issue him one. My accountant said this is often overlooked in family arrangements but it's still required. The LLC suggestion from Miguel is worth considering too, especially if you plan to buy more properties together. It does add some complexity but makes everything much cleaner from a tax and liability perspective.

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Aidan Percy

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This is really helpful! I'm new to rental property ownership and just inherited a duplex with my cousin. We're planning a similar arrangement where she'll manage the property since she lives nearby. Quick question - when you mention keeping "detailed monthly records," what exactly should we be documenting? Just the rental income amount and the 5% calculation, or do we need to track specific management tasks too? And is there a minimum threshold of management activities that need to be performed to justify the fee, or is it more about having a reasonable percentage? I want to make sure we set this up correctly from the start to avoid any issues down the road.

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