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One thing to keep in mind is that you can't actually "choose" which mortgage to claim - if both properties qualify as your primary residence and second home, you're entitled to deduct the interest on both mortgages up to the applicable limits. You can't selectively ignore one to maximize the other. What you CAN do is make sure you're maximizing the deductible portions within the rules. Since your first mortgage ($550k) is grandfathered under the old $1M limit, you can deduct all the interest on that. For your new $1.3M mortgage, you'd be able to deduct interest on $750k of that loan amount. The key is making sure your total itemized deductions (including both mortgage interests, state taxes, charitable donations, etc.) exceed the standard deduction to make itemizing worthwhile. With mortgages totaling $1.85M, you'll likely have substantial interest payments that would justify itemizing.

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Isla Fischer

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This is really helpful clarification! I was definitely misunderstanding the rules and thought I could pick and choose which mortgage to claim. So just to make sure I understand correctly - with my first mortgage at $550k (pre-2018) and the new one at $1.3M, I'd be able to deduct interest on the full $550k plus interest on $750k of the new mortgage? That's actually better than I initially thought since I was worried about being capped at just $750k total. Thanks for breaking this down so clearly!

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Liam Murphy

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Just to add one important consideration that hasn't been mentioned yet - make sure you understand the order of payments if you end up with a mortgage over the deduction limit. For your new $1.3M mortgage where only $750k qualifies for deductions, the IRS treats the deductible portion as being paid first throughout the year. So if you pay $91,000 in interest on that 7% mortgage ($1.3M Ɨ 7%), you'd be able to deduct interest on the first $750k of principal, which would be about $52,500 ($750k Ɨ 7%). The remaining $38,500 in interest payments wouldn't be deductible. Also, double-check that both properties will actually qualify as residences under IRS rules. The second home needs to have basic living accommodations (sleeping, cooking, and toilet facilities) and you need to use it personally for more than 14 days per year or 10% of the days it's rented out, whichever is greater. Since you mentioned using it 3 months per year, you should be fine on that front.

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This is exactly the kind of detailed breakdown I was looking for! The calculation example really helps me understand how the interest deduction would work in practice. So with my $1.3M mortgage at 7%, I'd be looking at roughly $52,500 in deductible interest from that loan plus whatever interest I pay on my existing $550k mortgage at 2.875%. I'm definitely planning to use the second home more than 14 days per year - we're hoping to spend most of our summer vacations there. Thanks for mentioning the basic living accommodations requirement too. I hadn't thought about that but the property we're looking at is a fully furnished home so that shouldn't be an issue. One follow-up question - do I need to track which specific payments go toward principal vs interest throughout the year, or will the lender's 1098 form handle all of that for me?

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Andre Dubois

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This is such a frustrating discovery! I went through the same thing a few years ago. The $10,000 MAGI limit for MFS Roth contributions is basically designed to be impossible for most working people to meet - it's clearly meant to push couples toward joint filing. One thing that helped me was understanding that this restriction exists because the government views marriage as creating a single economic unit for tax purposes. When you file separately, they're concerned about income shifting strategies and other tax avoidance techniques that could theoretically be used between spouses. The backdoor Roth strategy mentioned by others is definitely worth exploring if you're set on filing separately. You can contribute to a traditional IRA (no income limits for contributions, just deductibility limits) and then convert it to Roth. Just be aware of the pro-rata rule if you have other traditional IRA balances. Also consider that you have until you actually file your return to decide on your filing status - so you can calculate both ways and see which gives you the better overall result when you factor in all the various credits and deductions you'll lose or gain.

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This is really helpful context about the government viewing marriage as a single economic unit - that actually makes the restriction make more sense from a policy perspective, even if it's still frustrating! Quick question about the backdoor Roth strategy: when you mention the pro-rata rule, does that mean if I already have money in a traditional IRA from previous years, it complicates the conversion? I have about $15k in a traditional IRA from an old 401k rollover, so I'm wondering if that affects how clean the backdoor conversion would be. Also, do you know if there are any timing issues with doing the traditional IRA contribution and then immediately converting to Roth? I've heard conflicting advice about whether you need to wait a certain period between the contribution and conversion.

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Natalie Khan

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Yes, the pro-rata rule will definitely complicate your backdoor Roth conversion with that $15k traditional IRA balance. The rule requires you to calculate the taxable portion of any conversion based on ALL your traditional IRA balances combined, not just the new contribution. So if you contribute $6,000 (non-deductible) to a traditional IRA and then try to convert it, but you already have $15k in pre-tax traditional IRA money, the IRS treats it as converting from a pool of $21k total ($15k pre-tax + $6k after-tax). This means roughly 71% of your conversion would be taxable ($15k/$21k), defeating much of the purpose of the backdoor strategy. One workaround is rolling your existing traditional IRA balance into a current employer's 401k plan before doing the backdoor conversion, if your plan allows incoming rollovers. This clears out the traditional IRA balance and lets you do a clean backdoor conversion. As for timing, there's no required waiting period between contribution and conversion - you can do them on the same day or even simultaneously in many cases. The old "step transaction doctrine" concerns have been largely put to rest by IRS guidance over the years.

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The married filing separately Roth IRA restriction is definitely one of the most frustrating aspects of the tax code! I went through this exact situation a couple years ago and felt completely blindsided by the $10,000 MAGI limit. What really helped me understand the "why" behind this rule is that it's part of a broader pattern in tax policy. The government uses the tax code not just to raise revenue, but to incentivize certain behaviors - in this case, they want married couples to file jointly because it simplifies administration and reduces opportunities for tax planning strategies that could shift income between spouses. A few practical suggestions based on my experience: 1. Run the numbers both ways (MFJ vs MFS) using tax software before you decide. Sometimes the Roth IRA limitation is offset by other benefits of filing separately. 2. If you do decide to stick with MFS, the backdoor Roth strategy really does work if you don't have existing traditional IRA balances complicating things. 3. Consider timing - you have until you file your return to choose your status, so you can explore all options. The silver lining is that this forced me to learn way more about retirement account strategies than I ever thought I'd need to know! Sometimes these tax "gotchas" end up making us better informed taxpayers in the long run.

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StarSeeker

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This is such a great summary of the whole situation! I'm just discovering this restriction myself and feeling equally blindsided. It's helpful to hear that running the numbers both ways is worth doing - I was so focused on the Roth IRA limitation that I hadn't really considered whether filing separately might still come out ahead overall when you factor in everything else. Quick question about the timing aspect you mentioned - when you say we have until we file our return to choose the status, does that mean I could potentially start the year assuming I'll file separately (and plan around that), but then switch to joint filing at tax time if the math works out better? I'm trying to figure out how to handle estimated quarterly payments and other planning decisions when I'm not sure which status I'll ultimately choose. Also really appreciate the perspective about becoming a more informed taxpayer! Sometimes these frustrating discoveries do end up being educational, even if they're annoying in the moment.

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Diego Vargas

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I've been researching similar options and wanted to add a few considerations that might help. One approach I've found is looking into conservation easements - if you donate development rights on your land to a qualified organization, you can often get significant property tax reductions (sometimes 50-80% depending on the state) while still maintaining ownership and the right to live there. Another option worth exploring is homesteading exemptions, which many states offer but don't widely advertise. Texas, for example, has a homestead exemption that can reduce your taxable property value by up to $25,000 for school taxes, and some counties offer additional exemptions for veterans, seniors, or disabled individuals. Also, regarding the Alaska suggestion - while those remote parcels sound appealing, make sure you understand the access requirements. Many of these properties are only accessible by plane or boat, which can make year-round living extremely expensive and potentially dangerous during emergencies. The "no property tax" benefit might be offset by the costs of maintaining access and emergency preparedness. One more thought: if you're willing to consider a mobile lifestyle, some states like South Dakota, Texas, and Florida are popular with full-time RVers because they offer legal residency without requiring you to own property, and you can establish domicile there while traveling. This eliminates property tax entirely while maintaining US residency.

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Thanks for the comprehensive overview, Diego! The conservation easement approach is particularly interesting - I hadn't considered that option. Do you know if there are any restrictions on what types of improvements you can make to the property once you've donated the development rights? I'm wondering if things like adding solar panels, expanding existing structures, or building additional outbuildings would be affected by the easement terms. Also, regarding the South Dakota domicile strategy - how does that work practically for someone who wants to eventually settle down permanently? Is it more of a temporary solution while you're searching for the right property to purchase, or can you maintain that arrangement long-term?

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Great questions, Connor! For conservation easements, the restrictions really depend on the specific terms negotiated with the conservation organization. Most easements I've researched allow maintenance and reasonable improvements to existing structures, and solar panels are typically permitted since they're considered environmentally beneficial. However, you'd usually be restricted from subdividing the land or building new primary structures. The key is working with an experienced attorney during the easement negotiation to ensure the terms align with your long-term plans. Regarding South Dakota domicile - it's actually quite sustainable long-term if you embrace a mobile lifestyle. Many full-time RVers maintain SD residency for decades, using mail forwarding services and returning briefly each year to renew licenses. The state doesn't require you to own property or spend a minimum number of days there annually. However, if your goal is eventually settling permanently somewhere, you'd probably want to establish residency in that future state once you purchase property there. SD domicile works best for people who genuinely want to maintain mobility rather than as a temporary tax avoidance strategy.

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Tony Brooks

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As someone who's dealt with property tax issues for years, I want to emphasize the importance of verifying any strategy with qualified professionals before implementation. While many of the suggestions here are legitimate, the devil is really in the details when it comes to tax law. A few additional points to consider: 1) **Agricultural exemptions** can be excellent but often require genuine agricultural activity - not just owning rural land. Most states require proof of income from farming/ranching or specific land management practices. 2) **Land trusts** are another option worth exploring. Some states allow you to place property in an irrevocable trust that can reduce property tax assessments, though you do give up certain ownership rights. 3) **Tax lien investing** - while not eliminating your own property taxes, you can actually profit from others' unpaid property taxes by purchasing tax liens in states that offer this investment vehicle. 4) **Religious/charitable exemptions** - if you're operating a legitimate religious organization or charity from your property, portions may qualify for exemption in many jurisdictions. Whatever route you choose, make sure you understand the long-term implications. Some strategies that eliminate property taxes may create other tax obligations or limit your property rights in ways that could be costly down the road. Always consult with both a tax attorney and CPA familiar with your specific state and local laws before making major decisions.

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This is incredibly helpful advice, Tony! The point about agricultural exemptions requiring genuine agricultural activity is something I definitely needed to understand better. I've been looking at some rural properties and assumed that just owning farmland would automatically qualify, but it sounds like I'd need to actually operate a farm or ranch to claim the exemption. Do you happen to know what constitutes "genuine agricultural activity" in most states? Is there typically a minimum income requirement, or would something like a small market garden or keeping a few livestock be sufficient? I'm trying to understand if this would be feasible for someone who wants to be largely self-sufficient but isn't planning to run a full commercial farming operation. Also, your mention of land trusts is intriguing. When you say you "give up certain ownership rights," what specific rights are typically affected? I'm wondering if this would impact things like the ability to sell the property or make major improvements.

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Luca Romano

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For documentation of revoked S elections, you'd typically find this in the corporation's tax files as Form 1120S would show the final year of S status, and there should be a Form 1120 filed for any C Corp years. However, if the records are incomplete, you can request a transcript from the IRS using Form 4506-T to get the filing history. Regarding built-in gains tracking - corporations are absolutely required to maintain this documentation per Reg. 1.1374-8, but you're right that many don't do it properly or at all. If the documentation is missing or incomplete, you'll need to reconstruct it using: - Asset records and depreciation schedules from the S election date - Appraisals if they were done at the time of election - Financial statements closest to the S election date - Any available fair market value data from that time period If you can't reasonably reconstruct the built-in gains amount, the IRS may take the position that all gains are subject to the built-in gains tax, which is obviously not favorable. This is another reason why having an experienced practitioner review is crucial - they may know alternative approaches or have dealt with similar incomplete records situations. For your original S Corp stock sale, make sure to document your research process even if you conclude Section 1374 doesn't apply. The IRS likes to see that you considered all applicable provisions, especially in complex transactions like this one.

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Jamal Brown

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This is all incredibly valuable information! As someone who's still learning the intricacies of S Corp taxation, I'm realizing just how many potential issues can arise in what initially seemed like a straightforward stock sale. The point about documenting the research process even when provisions don't apply is particularly helpful - I can see how that would demonstrate due diligence to the IRS. It sounds like maintaining a comprehensive workpaper file with all the considerations explored will be just as important as the actual tax calculations. Given everything discussed in this thread, I'm wondering if there are any specific IRS publications or resources that provide guidance on S Corp stock sales with installment components? I want to make sure I'm not missing any other potential issues that haven't been covered here. @Luca Romano, thank you for the detailed explanation about reconstructing built-in gains documentation - that's definitely something I'll need to keep in mind for future cases!

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For comprehensive guidance on S Corp stock sales with installment components, I'd recommend starting with these key IRS resources: **Primary Publications:** - Publication 537 (Installment Sales) - covers the mechanics of installment sale reporting - Publication 542 (Corporations) - has specific sections on S Corp distributions and sales - Instructions for Form 6252 - detailed guidance on installment sale reporting requirements **Critical Code Sections & Regulations:** - IRC Section 453 and related regulations for installment sales - IRC Section 1367 for S Corp basis adjustments - Reg. 1.1368-1 through 1.1368-3 for S Corp distributions and basis rules - Rev. Rul. 89-7 specifically addresses S Corp stock sales with installment features **Additional Resources:** - PLR 200927013 provides guidance on mid-year S Corp stock sales and basis calculations - TAM 200733023 covers similar issues with installment reporting One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet in this thread is the potential need for a Section 453(d) election if the selling shareholder wants to opt out of installment treatment for any portion of the sale. This might be relevant if they want to accelerate recognition of losses to offset other gains. Also, don't overlook the potential applicability of Section 1202 qualified small business stock exclusion - if this S Corp meets the requirements, the selling shareholder might be eligible for significant gain exclusion on the stock portion of the sale. The complexity of your transaction really highlights why thorough documentation and research is so critical in S Corp dispositions!

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Amina Sy

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Wow, this is exactly the kind of comprehensive resource list I was hoping for! I really appreciate you taking the time to compile all these specific publications and code sections. The mention of Section 453(d) election is particularly interesting - I hadn't considered that the selling shareholder might want to opt out of installment treatment. Could you elaborate on when that might be advantageous? I'm thinking it could be useful if they have capital losses to offset, but are there other scenarios where accelerating the gain recognition would make sense? Also, the Section 1202 QSBS exclusion is something I definitely need to investigate further. Given that this is a fairly established S Corp with significant value, I'm curious whether it would meet the active business requirements and other QSBS criteria. @Muhammad Hobbs, thank you for mentioning those specific revenue rulings and TAMs - having actual IRS guidance on similar fact patterns will be incredibly helpful for my documentation file!

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Chloe Harris

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Welcome to the community! This thread has been incredibly educational - I'm new to rideshare driving and had the exact same confusion about vehicle deductions. Started driving for Uber about 2 months ago and my tax prep software was also showing that actual expenses would give me a much bigger deduction. Reading through everyone's explanations about depreciation recapture has been eye-opening. I had no idea that claiming depreciation could create tax problems later when you stop using the vehicle for business or sell it. The point about being "locked in" to actual expenses forever for that vehicle is also something I never would have considered. As a newcomer to both this community and gig driving, I really appreciate how experienced members have shared practical insights that go way beyond what you'd find in basic tax guides. The hidden complexities around depreciation recapture, record-keeping requirements, and long-term flexibility make a strong case for standard mileage, especially for those of us just starting out or driving part-time. This discussion has convinced me to go with standard mileage for my situation. Better to take the simpler, cleaner deduction and avoid potential headaches down the road. Thanks everyone for helping newcomers navigate these tricky tax decisions!

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Welcome to the community, Chloe! I'm also pretty new here and just started with gig driving recently. This thread has been a goldmine of information that I never would have found elsewhere. What really struck me was how the tax software makes actual expenses look so appealing upfront, but doesn't warn you about any of the long-term consequences. I was heading down the same path until I read about depreciation recapture potentially being triggered just by stopping business use of the vehicle - that was a huge red flag for someone like me who's still figuring out if rideshare driving is something I want to continue. The experienced members here have done such a great job explaining why standard mileage is usually the safer bet for newcomers and part-time drivers. It's reassuring to know that the "simpler" option is often actually the smarter choice, not just the easy way out. Definitely planning to implement that tracking spreadsheet system someone mentioned earlier - seems like having solid mileage records is important regardless of which deduction method you choose. Thanks for adding your perspective as another newcomer! It's helpful to know others are navigating the same learning curve.

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As someone who's been through this exact scenario, I want to echo what others have said about standard mileage being the right choice for your situation. I drove for Uber for about 8 months a few years back and made the mistake of choosing actual expenses because the immediate deduction looked so much better. Fast forward to when I sold my car two years later - I got hit with depreciation recapture that cost me over $1,200 in additional taxes. What seemed like a smart move to maximize my deductions ended up costing me more in the long run. For someone who only drove 4K miles over 6 months and doesn't plan to continue, you're in the perfect scenario for standard mileage. That $2,680 deduction (at $0.67/mile) is clean, straightforward, and won't create any surprises down the road. Plus, you avoid all the complex record-keeping requirements that come with actual expenses. The tax software showing actual expenses as "better" is only looking at year one. It can't predict the depreciation recapture headaches you'll face later. Trust the experienced voices in this thread - sometimes the smaller, cleaner deduction is the much smarter long-term choice. Take the standard mileage rate and sleep well knowing you won't have any tax complications when you eventually sell your 2019 vehicle!

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