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Dmitry Popov

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Has anyone considered prepaid expenses rules? I think there's an exception if you're prepaying for something more than a year in advance. Just wanted to throw that out there in case someone's booking really far ahead.

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Good point! The 12-month rule says you can deduct prepaid expenses in the current year if the right to receive the service doesn't extend more than 12 months beyond when you made the payment. So if you buy a plane ticket in December 2023 for a flight in June 2024, you're fine to deduct it in 2023.

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Andre Moreau

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This is such a helpful thread! I'm in a similar situation as the original poster - I'm a consultant who travels frequently for client meetings and always struggle with the timing of deductions. Based on all the advice here, it sounds like the key is to focus on when you actually paid, not when you used the service. One thing I'd add is to keep really good records of your payment dates, especially if you're using different payment methods (credit cards, bank transfers, etc.). I learned this the hard way when I got audited a few years ago and had to reconstruct my travel expense timeline. The IRS was very focused on the actual payment dates, not the travel dates. For anyone else dealing with this, I'd recommend setting up a simple spreadsheet or using one of the tools mentioned here to track payment dates alongside your travel dates. It makes tax time so much less stressful when you have everything organized properly!

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Luca Ricci

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This is excellent advice about record keeping! I'm new to managing my own business expenses and hadn't thought about the audit perspective. Do you have any specific recommendations for what documentation to keep beyond just the payment receipts? I'm wondering if I should also keep copies of the conference programs or travel itineraries to show the business purpose, even though the timing is based on payment date.

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Zara Malik

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This thread has been incredibly helpful! I've been struggling with the exact same situation and was getting conflicting advice from different sources. The explanation about not double-counting the $19,500 on line 4a finally makes sense to me. I was also thinking I needed to report it as $64,000, but you're absolutely right - the Roth conversion isn't a new distribution, it's just moving already-distributed money between account types. What really helped me understand it was thinking about the money flow: 401(k) → Traditional IRA → Roth IRA. The actual "distribution" happened when it left the 401(k), not when it moved from Traditional to Roth. I'm definitely going to double-check my Form 8606 too after Connor's comment. I think I may have made some non-deductible contributions a few years back when my income was higher, which could reduce my taxable conversion amount. Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences - this is exactly the kind of real-world advice that's so hard to find in the IRS publications!

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I'm so glad this thread exists! I was literally pulling my hair out trying to figure this out. I've been staring at my 1099-Rs for weeks and getting more confused every time I tried to research it online. The money flow explanation really clicked for me too - 401(k) → Traditional IRA → Roth IRA. When you think about it that way, it's obvious that the conversion isn't creating new taxable income, it's just changing the tax treatment of money that was already distributed. I actually called my old 401(k) provider thinking I was missing some forms, but they confirmed I only get 1099-Rs for the actual distributions out of the 401(k), not for the subsequent IRA-to-IRA movements. Now I just need to dig through my old tax returns to see if I ever made non-deductible IRA contributions. Fingers crossed I can reduce that taxable amount on line 4b!

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This has been such a lifesaver of a thread! I was in almost the identical situation - had a 401k rollover to traditional IRA followed by a Roth conversion, and I was getting completely different answers from everyone I asked. What finally made it click for me was the money flow explanation that several people mentioned: the $19,500 only gets counted once on line 4a because it's the same money moving through different account types, not separate distributions. So it's definitely $44,500 on line 4a (both 401k rollovers) and $19,500 on line 4b (just the taxable conversion). I also want to echo what Connor said about Form 8606 - this is crucial if you've ever made non-deductible IRA contributions! I almost missed this and would have overpaid my taxes significantly. If you have any after-tax basis in your traditional IRA from previous non-deductible contributions, it reduces the taxable portion of your Roth conversion using the pro-rata rule. For anyone still confused, I'd recommend double-checking your old tax returns for Form 8606 filings - if you see any, you probably have basis that could save you money on this conversion!

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This whole discussion has been incredibly enlightening! I'm a newcomer to this community but found myself in a very similar situation this tax season. I had rolled over my old 403(b) into a traditional IRA and then did a partial Roth conversion, and I was completely lost on the reporting. The money flow concept that everyone keeps mentioning really helped me understand why we don't double-count on line 4a. It's such a simple way to think about it - the distribution happened when money left the original retirement account, not when it moved between IRA types. What really caught my attention was the discussion about Form 8606 and non-deductible contributions. I think I may have made some of those back when my income exceeded the deduction limits, but honestly I'm not even sure where to look for that information. Would those show up on my old 1040s, or do I need to dig through other paperwork? Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences - as someone new to dealing with these complex retirement account moves, this real-world advice is invaluable!

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I've been dealing with code 976 since late February too and I completely understand your frustration! The code means your is under manual review - usually for income verification, dependent validation, or credit confirmation. From what I've experienced and researched, the timeline is typically 6-16 weeks, though some cases can go up to 120 days. The uncertainty is definitely the hardest part since the IRS doesn't give you specifics about what triggered the review or exact timelines. Here's what's helped me cope: check your online transcript weekly for any code changes, keep detailed records of any IRS contact attempts, and if you hit the 120-day mark, definitely reach out to the Taxpayer Advocate Service - they have more authority than regular customer service. I know it's incredibly stressful when you're counting on that money, but most 976 cases do eventually get resolved. Try to stay patient and keep monitoring your transcript for updates. Wishing you a speedy resolution! šŸ’™

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I'm so sorry you're dealing with code 976 - I completely understand how frustrating and stressful this situation is! I went through the exact same thing earlier this year and it took about 14 weeks to finally get resolved. Code 976 means your is being held for manual review, which typically happens when the IRS needs to verify income, dependents, or credits claimed on your return. The uncertainty and lack of communication from the IRS is honestly the worst part of this whole process. From my experience, here's what helped me get through it: check your online transcript weekly for any code changes or updates, keep detailed records of all your calls to the IRS (even though their customer service is pretty unhelpful right now), and if you reach the 120-day mark, definitely contact the Taxpayer Advocate Service - they have more authority and resources than regular IRS representatives. Most 976 cases do get resolved within 6-16 weeks, though some can take up to 120 days depending on what they're reviewing. I know that probably doesn't help much when you're counting on that money, but try to stay patient and keep monitoring your transcript. There really is light at the end of the tunnel, even though it doesn't feel like it right now. Hang in there! šŸ¤ž

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My wife and I went through this exact situation! In case it helps, we found the best solution was for both of us to check the "Married but withhold at higher Single rate" box (if using the old W-4) or checking box 2(c) on the new form. We make almost identical incomes, so this worked perfectly. If your incomes are very different though, you might want to use the IRS withholding calculator or the Multiple Jobs Worksheet (Step 2(b) on the W-4) for more precise withholding.

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The "Married but withhold at higher Single rate" box doesn't exist on the new W-4 forms. They completely redesigned them in 2020. Now it's Step 2 checkbox c that does basically the same thing.

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I went through this exact same situation when I got married! The key thing to understand is that when you select "married filing jointly" without any other adjustments, the tax tables assume you're the only income earner in the household, which dramatically reduces withholding. Here's what worked for me and my spouse (we have similar incomes): 1. **Use the IRS Tax Withholding Estimator** - It's free and way more accurate than guessing. You'll need both of your most recent pay stubs and last year's tax return. 2. **Only ONE of you should check box 2(c)** - If both spouses check this box, you'll likely overwithhold significantly. 3. **Consider using Step 4(c) for additional withholding** - Based on the estimator results, you might want to have an extra $50-100 withheld per paycheck to catch up on the underwithholding from earlier in the year. Since you mentioned you're only having $35 withheld on $1,300 biweekly pay, that's definitely too low for most tax situations. The estimator will give you specific guidance based on both your incomes combined. Don't wait until next year to fix this - you can submit a new W-4 anytime!

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Cynthia Love

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This is really helpful advice! I'm in a similar situation and was wondering - when you say "only ONE of you should check box 2(c)", how do you decide which spouse should check it? Should it be the higher earner or the lower earner? Also, if we're both getting new jobs around the same time, does it matter who updates their W-4 first?

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Rhett Bowman

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One thing to watch out for if you're new to S-Corp health insurance reporting - make sure you understand the timing requirements. The health insurance premiums need to be paid by your S-Corp during the tax year to qualify for the deduction in that same year. I learned this the hard way when I tried to reimburse myself in January for premiums I had personally paid in December of the prior year. The IRS doesn't allow that - the S-Corp itself must make the payments directly to the insurance company or through payroll during the actual tax year you're claiming the deduction. Also, if you have employees, you'll need to make sure health insurance is available to them on the same terms, or there are specific ownership percentage rules that apply. This gets complex quickly if you have other shareholders or employees, so definitely consult a tax professional if your situation isn't straightforward single-owner S-Corp.

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This timing requirement is so crucial and I wish someone had told me about it earlier! I made a similar mistake where I was personally paying the premiums and then trying to reimburse myself from the S-Corp at year-end. Had to scramble to restructure how we handle it going forward. One follow-up question though - if you have a single-member S-Corp with no other employees, do you still need to worry about the "same terms" requirement for employees? Or does that only kick in once you actually have W-2 employees other than yourself? Also, for the direct payment requirement, does it matter if the S-Corp pays the insurance company directly versus paying it through payroll as additional compensation that you then use to pay the premiums yourself?

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Lara Woods

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@MidnightRider Great questions! For single-member S-Corps with no other employees, you don't need to worry about the "same terms" requirement - that only applies when you have actual W-2 employees other than yourself as the owner. Regarding payment method, both approaches can work, but there's an important distinction. If the S-Corp pays the insurance company directly, it's cleaner and easier to document. If you go the payroll route (S-Corp pays you additional compensation that you use for premiums), make sure the extra compensation amount specifically corresponds to the insurance premiums and is properly documented as such. The key is that the S-Corp must be the entity ultimately funding the premiums during the tax year, and you need to be able to show that connection clearly. Direct payment to the insurance company is usually the simpler path and leaves less room for documentation issues. Also, whichever method you choose, stick with it consistently throughout the year - switching back and forth can create confusion during tax preparation.

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This is exactly the kind of confusion I went through when I first elected S-Corp status for my LLC! One thing that really helped me was creating a simple monthly checklist to stay on top of the health insurance reporting requirements. Here's what I do now: At the beginning of each year, I calculate my total expected health insurance premiums and make sure my S-Corp has enough budgeted for payroll taxes on that additional compensation. Then each month when I process payroll, I include 1/12th of the annual health insurance amount in my W-2 wages, even if the actual premium gets paid at a different time in the month. This approach keeps everything consistent and makes year-end much smoother. I also set up a separate business checking account specifically for employee benefits (even though I'm the only employee), which makes tracking these payments super clear for my bookkeeper and accountant. The key insight that took me a while to understand is that you're essentially paying yourself additional wages equal to the health insurance cost, then taking a personal deduction for those same premiums. Once you think of it that way, the whole process makes much more sense!

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Natalie Khan

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This monthly approach is brilliant! I've been struggling with the inconsistent timing between when I pay the premiums (usually around the 15th) and when I run payroll (1st of each month). Your suggestion to include 1/12th in each payroll run regardless of when the actual premium payment happens really simplifies things. Quick question about the separate checking account - do you transfer money into that account specifically for the health insurance payments, or do you use it for all employee-related expenses? I'm trying to decide if it's worth the extra complexity of managing another account versus just being more diligent about categorizing expenses in my main business account. Also, have you found that spreading it evenly across 12 months creates any issues if your actual premium amounts change mid-year due to plan changes or rate increases? I'm wondering if I should true-up the amounts quarterly or just handle any differences in December.

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