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Wait, I'm still confused about Form 1065 Schedule K line 20 code AG. Is this something every partnership needs to fill out? We're a really small operation, just two partners with around $450k in annual revenue. Do we even need to worry about this section 448(c) stuff?
With only $450k in annual revenue, you're well under the threshold (currently $27 million), but you should still complete the AG line. The IRS wants this information from all partnerships filing Form 1065. Think of it this way - the IRS doesn't know your revenue level until you tell them, so they need everyone to report this figure so they can determine who qualifies for the accounting method simplifications under section 448(c). It's actually beneficial for small partnerships like yours to clearly document that you're under the threshold.
Great thread everyone! I just want to emphasize something important that might get overlooked - when calculating your gross receipts for code AG, make sure you're using the correct 3-year period. For your 2023 return, you need the average of 2020, 2021, and 2022 gross receipts, NOT including 2023. I made this mistake initially and included the current year in my calculation. The section 448(c) test specifically looks at the "3-taxable-year period ending with the taxable year that precedes such taxable year." So you're always looking backward, never including the current filing year. Also, keep good records of this calculation because you'll need to update it each year. The threshold can change annually (it was $26M for 2022, now $27M for 2023), and your 3-year average will shift as you drop the oldest year and add a new one to the calculation.
This is exactly the kind of detail that trips people up! Thanks for clarifying the 3-year lookback period. I was about to include our current year 2023 numbers in the calculation. One follow-up question - if we're a newer partnership that didn't exist for all three years of the lookback period, how do we handle the calculation? We only started operations in 2022, so we don't have 2020 or 2021 data. Do we just use whatever years we have, or is there a different rule for new entities?
This is a great question that many people struggle with! I went through something similar last year and want to share what I learned from my tax preparer. You're absolutely right that the W-2G amount of $19,000 must be reported as income. For your losses, you need to think about it session by session: Visit 1: You started with $6,500, won $19,000, but only left with $12,800. This means during that session, you actually lost $12,700 of your winnings after hitting the jackpot. Visit 2: You brought $6,500 and lost it all = $6,500 loss. Your total gambling losses for the year would be $19,200 ($12,700 + $6,500). Since you can only deduct losses up to your winnings, you'd be limited to deducting $19,000 if you itemize. The key thing to remember is that you report the full W-2G as income, but then you can offset most or all of it with your documented losses if you have proper records. Make sure you keep detailed logs of each gambling session - date, location, amounts won/lost, and any supporting documentation like ATM receipts or player's club statements. It does seem unfair at first, but the system allows you to essentially break even tax-wise if you have good records of your losses.
This is really helpful, thank you! I'm new to dealing with gambling taxes and was getting overwhelmed by all the different advice out there. Your breakdown makes it much clearer how the math works. One follow-up question - when you say "proper records," does that mean I need to write everything down while I'm at the casino? Or can I reconstruct my gambling log later using bank statements and receipts? I wasn't keeping detailed records during my sessions, but I do have ATM receipts and some player's club statements.
Great question! Ideally, you should keep contemporaneous records (written at the time), but the IRS does understand that many people don't think to do this initially. You can reconstruct your gambling log using the documentation you have - ATM receipts, player's club statements, bank records, etc. The key is to be as accurate and detailed as possible when reconstructing. Use your ATM receipts to establish when and where you gambled, and your bank statements to show cash withdrawals. Player's club statements are particularly valuable because they often show your actual gambling activity at specific machines or tables. When you create your reconstructed log, include dates, locations, approximate start/end times, amounts brought to the casino, amounts won or lost, and reference the supporting documentation you have for each session. The IRS prefers contemporaneous records, but they will accept reconstructed logs if they're supported by third-party documentation and appear reasonable and consistent. Just make sure you're being honest and conservative in your estimates - don't try to inflate your losses beyond what you can reasonably support with your documentation.
One thing I'd add that hasn't been mentioned yet - if you're a frequent gambler, consider setting up a separate bank account just for gambling activities. This makes tracking so much easier come tax time. I started doing this after my first year dealing with W-2Gs became a nightmare to sort through. Now I only use that account for casino ATM withdrawals and any gambling-related deposits. At the end of the year, I can easily see my total gambling activity just by looking at the account statements. It also helps with the IRS documentation requirements since you have a clear paper trail that's separate from your regular spending. My tax preparer loves it because it makes calculating my net gambling position much more straightforward. For your specific situation with the $19k W-2G, having this kind of clean record-keeping would make it obvious exactly how much you lost in each session. Might be worth setting up for next year if you plan to continue gambling regularly.
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I had the exact same issue with TaxAct last week! The login loop is so frustrating. What finally worked for me was completely logging out of all Google/Microsoft accounts in my browser first, then clearing all site data for TaxAct specifically (not just cookies), and then trying again. If you're still stuck, you can also try accessing TaxAct through their mobile app instead of the website - sometimes that bypasses whatever browser-specific issues they're having. The mobile app saved my progress when the website wouldn't let me back in. Really hoping they fix these server issues soon. It's ridiculous that we have to jump through so many hoops just to file our taxes!
Thanks for sharing that detailed solution! I'm curious - when you say "clearing all site data for TaxAct specifically," how exactly do you do that? Is that different from just clearing cookies? I'm not super tech-savvy and want to make sure I'm doing it right if I run into this issue again. Also, did the mobile app have all the same features as the desktop version? I have some complex business deductions that I worry might be harder to navigate on a smaller screen.
This thread has been incredibly helpful! I've been making estimated tax payments for years but never fully understood the safe harbor calculation. The key insight that it's based on Line 24 (total tax AFTER credits) rather than before credits makes a huge difference in my situation. I have substantial credits from solar panels and energy-efficient home improvements, so my Line 24 was significantly lower than my pre-credit tax amount. I've been overestimating my safe harbor requirement and essentially giving the government an interest-free loan. For anyone else reading this - definitely make sure you're using the right line from your 1040. It's Line 24 "Total Tax" after all credits have been applied. Then apply either 100% or 110% depending on whether your AGI was above or below $150k. Simple once you know which number to use!
This is such a valuable thread! As someone new to estimated taxes, I was completely confused about which number to use for the safe harbor calculation. I had been looking at my gross tax before credits and was way overthinking the whole process. Your point about the solar and energy credits making a big difference really resonates - I have similar credits and was also essentially overpaying. It's amazing how one small clarification about using Line 24 can save so much money and stress. Thanks to everyone who contributed their experiences and explanations!
This discussion has been incredibly enlightening! I'm a newcomer to the community and have been struggling with estimated tax payments for my freelance work. Reading through all these explanations about using Line 24 (total tax after credits) for the safe harbor calculation has saved me from making a costly mistake. I was about to base my calculation on my pre-credit tax amount, which would have resulted in significant overpayment. The distinction between 100% vs 110% based on the $150k AGI threshold is also crystal clear now. One follow-up question for the group: if you're self-employed and your income varies dramatically month to month, is it better to make equal quarterly payments based on the safe harbor amount, or should you try to match your payments to your actual income flow throughout the year? I've heard the IRS prefers even payments, but I'm curious about practical experiences with uneven payment schedules. Thanks to everyone who shared their knowledge and experiences - this community is incredibly valuable for navigating these complex tax situations!
Welcome to the community! Great question about payment timing with irregular income. From my experience as a freelancer, the IRS does technically prefer equal quarterly payments, but they also have provisions for uneven income through the "annualized income installment method." If your income varies significantly, you can actually calculate each quarter's payment based on your actual income earned during that period rather than making equal payments. This is especially helpful if you have seasonal work or big project payments that come in irregularly. The key is using Form 2210 Schedule AI when you file your return to show that your payments were appropriate based on when you actually earned the income. It's more paperwork, but it can save you from overpaying early in the year when your income might be lower. That said, many freelancers I know (myself included) just use the safe harbor method with equal quarterly payments because it's simpler and predictable. You know exactly what you need to pay each quarter and don't have to worry about complex calculations throughout the year.
Miguel Ortiz
Make sure you understand your lender requirements!!! I ended up refinancing at a MUCH higher rate because I violated my second home loan terms by renting without permission. Read your mortgage documents carefully - mine specifically said I had to occupy the property "significant amount of time each year" and prohibited rental during the first year.
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Zainab Khalil
β’Did you contact the lender first or did they find out and contact you? I'm wondering how closely they monitor this kind of thing or if it only becomes an issue if something else happens (like insurance claim).
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Miguel Ortiz
β’They found out when my rental income showed up on my next year's tax return during a random review. I'd completely forgotten there was language in my loan docs about this. First I got a stern letter asking for explanation, then they gave me 60 days to either stop renting or refinance. The loan officer later told me they also sometimes catch these situations when neighbors complain, or if they see the property listed on rental sites. They don't actively monitor everyone, but they definitely have systems to catch violations eventually.
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Lorenzo McCormick
Just went through this exact situation last month! One thing that hasn't been mentioned yet is the importance of establishing a clear "placed in service" date for your rental property. The IRS considers your property to be placed in service as a rental when it's ready and available for rent, not necessarily when you get your first tenant. This matters because it affects when you can start claiming depreciation and certain expenses. I made the mistake of thinking I could backdate everything to when I first decided to rent it out, but my CPA corrected me - it's when the property is actually ready for rental use (repairs done, furnished if applicable, listed for rent, etc.). Also, keep meticulous records of any improvements or repairs you make during the conversion process. Capital improvements get added to your basis for depreciation calculations, while repairs can be deducted immediately. The distinction can save you thousands in taxes over time!
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Miguel HernΓ‘ndez
β’This is really valuable insight about the "placed in service" date! I'm actually in the middle of preparing my second home for rental right now and was confused about exactly when I could start the depreciation clock. So if I'm understanding correctly, even if I decide in January to convert it but don't finish repairs and list it until March, I can't start depreciating until March? Also, could you give an example of what counts as a capital improvement vs. a repair in this context? I'm replacing some old appliances and fixing a leaky roof - trying to figure out how to categorize these expenses properly.
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