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I run a small landscaping company and have been picking up day laborers from the local hardware store parking lot to help with jobs when we're short-handed. I typically pay them $80 cash at the end of each day, and it's almost always different people each time. The thing is, I've never paid any single person more than $600 in a year (honestly most I only use once or twice), but when I add up all these cash payments for the year, it's actually around $7,500 total. I'm trying to figure out my tax situation here. Since I never paid any individual more than $600, I'm assuming I don't need to issue 1099s to them as independent contractors. But that seems weird since the total labor expense is significant. What's the proper way to handle this on my taxes? I want to do this right, but I'm confused about how to document these expenses since I paid in cash from my personal account rather than my business account. Can I still claim these as business expenses? Do I need documentation beyond my own records of the payments?
So I'm in a bit of a mess and I'm honestly feeling pretty embarrassed about the whole situation. I haven't filed my taxes for the past two years (2023 and 2024) and I'm getting really anxious about it. From my rough calculations, I think we owed around $8k for 2023 and maybe $3k for 2024. There's no way we can pay all that at once right now with our current finances. I know I can't just keep ignoring this problem, but I'm not sure what my options are at this point. Will the IRS work with me on a payment plan? Are there gonna be huge penalties? I'm worried about getting in serious trouble and just want to get back on track before things get worse. Any advice from people who've been in similar situations would be really helpful. Just need some guidance on where to start fixing this mess.
Has anyone used TurboTax to file back taxes? I'm in this exact situation and wondering if the regular tax software works for previous years or if I need something special.
You need to get the right version of the software for each specific tax year. So for 2023 you'd need the 2023 version, not the current 2025 one. Most tax software companies sell previous year versions, but sometimes they cost more than the current year.
Don't beat yourself up about this - you're definitely not alone! I work as a tax preparer and see this situation all the time, especially after the past few years with all the economic uncertainty. Here's what I always tell my clients in your situation: Yes, there will be penalties and interest, but the IRS is actually pretty reasonable when you're proactive about fixing things. The failure-to-file penalty is much worse than the failure-to-pay penalty, so getting those returns submitted should be your absolute top priority even if you can't pay everything right away. A few practical tips: Start with gathering your documents for both years. If you're missing W-2s or 1099s, you can request wage and income transcripts from the IRS website for free. Once you file, you can absolutely set up a payment plan - the IRS offers installment agreements up to 72 months for balances under $50,000, and the setup fee is pretty reasonable. Also, don't assume you owe exactly what you calculated. You might be missing deductions or credits that could reduce what you owe. I've had clients who thought they owed thousands but ended up owing much less (or sometimes even getting refunds) once we properly prepared their returns. The key is just to start the process. Every day you wait, the penalties and interest keep adding up. You've got this!
I'm experiencing a discrepancy regarding my tax refund and child support offset. My transcript shows code 846 with a direct deposit date and indicates the full refund amount, but I have outstanding child support obligations that should have been offset. I've methodically reviewed my account transcript line by line and confirmed all other codes appear normal. Has anyone encountered this situation where the offset doesn't appear on the transcript despite having back child support? I'm proceeding cautiously before making any financial decisions based on this apparent full refund amount.
Have you considered what might happen if you make financial plans based on receiving the full amount? The transcript shows what the IRS has approved, but have you verified what will actually reach your bank account? Many taxpayers are surprised when their deposit is smaller than expected due to this exact situation. Could you contact your state's child support enforcement agency directly to confirm the offset amount? They often have this information before it appears in any federal system and might give you a more accurate picture of what to expect.
I experienced this exact same situation two years ago and it was incredibly confusing at first! Your transcript is showing the full amount because that's what the IRS processed and approved - but here's the key thing everyone's touching on: the child support offset happens at the Treasury level, not the IRS level. What I learned is that you should definitely NOT count on receiving the full amount shown on your transcript. The Treasury Offset Program will intercept whatever you owe for back child support before the money reaches your bank account. The frustrating part is that this offset won't show up on your IRS transcript because it's handled by a completely different agency (Bureau of Fiscal Service). My advice? Contact your state's child support enforcement office directly - they can usually tell you exactly how much will be offset before you even receive your deposit. That way you can plan accordingly instead of being surprised when a smaller amount hits your account. The offset notice from Treasury typically arrives after your deposit, which doesn't help with planning!
Hey everyone, I'm in the middle of filing my taxes and hit a snag with my W2 form. The tax software I'm using is giving me grief about something. So on my W2, box 18 shows an amount for local wages, tips, etc. (around $43,500), but boxes 19 and 20 are completely empty. The software keeps prompting me to fill out box 20 which should contain the locality name, but there's nothing there on my actual W2 form. I'm not sure what to put in there or if I should just leave it blank and somehow override the software's complaint. Has anyone run into this issue before? What should I do when box 18 has a value but the corresponding boxes 19 and 20 are empty? I'm getting anxious since the filing deadline is approaching fast. Any help would be seriously appreciated!!
Just to add another approach - sometimes you can figure out the locality name by looking at your pay stubs rather than the W2. Many pay stubs will list the specific local tax being applied, even if it's not properly carried over to the W2. Also, if you're using software like TurboTax or H&R Block, they sometimes have a dropdown menu of localities that can help you identify the right one based on your zip code or address.
This is a good tip but what if your paystubs don't show any local tax info either? My company uses this barebones payroll system that barely shows anything. Should I just guess based on where I physically work?
If your paystubs don't show local tax info either, then yes, using your physical work location is generally the safest approach. Use the city or county where you physically perform your work. If you work remotely, it gets more complicated and might depend on your employer's location or your state's specific rules for remote workers. In that case, you might need to contact your HR department for clarification.
Box 18-20 issues are super common! Last year my W2 had similar problems. One thing to watch out for - make sure whatever you put in box 20 actually matches a real tax locality. My tax software rejected my return the first time because I entered "North County" which wasn't a recognized locality code. I found that using the official name (like "PHILADELPHIA CITY" instead of just "Philadelphia") sometimes works better with the software validation.
How do you find the official name formats though? Is there a list somewhere or do you just have to guess and check until the software stops complaining?
Most tax software has a lookup feature where you can search by your work address or zip code and it will show you the official locality names in their system. You can also check your state's Department of Revenue website - they usually have lists of recognized local tax jurisdictions with the exact naming conventions. Another trick is to look at previous year's tax returns if you filed in the same location. The locality name format usually stays consistent year to year, so whatever worked before should work again.
So I've been handling my brother's taxes for years now, and we're in a weird situation. About 4 years ago, he bought a house with his girlfriend, but they split up around 2 years ago. When they broke up, she wanted to keep the house, so she gave him some money (not much really) to buy out his interest. He signed something giving up his claim to the place. Here's the issue - she never managed to refinance the mortgage or get his name off the deed. Fast forward to last year, and she ended up selling the house. My brother didn't get a penny from the sale since he'd already been "bought out" earlier. I'm completely confused about how to handle this on his taxes. Does he need to report this sale even though he didn't get any money from it? What exactly am I supposed to put on Schedule D? And do we need to somehow coordinate with his ex to make sure we're reporting it correctly? The last thing we want is IRS problems because she reported something one way and we did it another.
Don't forget about the primary residence exclusion! If this was your brother's primary residence for at least 2 of the 5 years before the sale, he might qualify to exclude up to $250,000 of gain from his income (or $500,000 if married filing jointly). Based on what you described, he lived there for about 2 years before moving out 2 years ago, so he might just barely qualify if the timing works out exactly. This could potentially eliminate any tax liability from the sale, even if he has to report it.
This is definitely a tricky situation that requires careful documentation. From what you've described, your brother needs to report the sale even though he didn't receive proceeds from the actual sale, because he was still legally on the deed. The key is treating this as a two-part transaction: (1) the original buyout he received when they split up, and (2) the formal sale that just happened. On Schedule D, he should report the sale with his cost basis being the original purchase price plus improvements, and his proceeds being only the buyout amount he received years ago (not the recent sale proceeds). You'll definitely want to include a detailed explanation with the return describing the situation. Also, try to get documentation of the original buyout agreement if possible - this will support your position if the IRS has questions. One important thing to check: make sure you understand whether he received a 1099-S form. If he did, the IRS will be expecting to see this sale reported. If the ex-girlfriend also reports part of the sale, you want to make sure there's no double-reporting of the same income.
Diego Castillo
Just wanted to add that even if you don't issue 1099s, those workers are still legally required to report that income on their taxes. You probably don't care about that part, but it helps explain why the IRS wants you to document expenses - they're trying to track income from all sides. I run a small construction company and what I do is keep a simple spreadsheet with each worker's name (or description if I don't know their name), date, job site, hours, and amount paid. I take a photo of each cash payment being handed over too. My accountant says this is plenty for documenting business expenses.
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Yara Campbell
AuthorIs there a minimum threshold for these expenses? Like if I paid someone $40 for a quick 2-hour job helping load plants, do I still need to document that level of detail?
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Diego Castillo
There's no minimum threshold for documenting business expenses. Even small payments like $40 should be recorded with the same level of detail. While it might seem excessive for small amounts, consistent documentation across all expenses is what protects you during an audit. For quick small jobs like your $40 example, I still record all the same information. It only takes a few seconds to jot down or enter in my phone: date, brief description of work, amount paid. The consistency is what matters - if you document everything the same way, it shows you're operating systematically rather than selectively tracking expenses.
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Logan Stewart
Remember that these aren't employees from a tax perspective - they're independent contractors. That means you don't withhold taxes, but absolutely document the payments even if under $600. I had a minor audit two years ago for my small business where I had to prove some cash labor payments, and my simple log with dates, names (when known), and services provided was sufficient. They didn't question anything because I had a consistent system.
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Mikayla Brown
I thought workers only counted as independent contractors if they meet certain criteria? Like controlling their own hours, using their own equipment, etc. Wouldn't day laborers technically be employees since the business owner directs their work?
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Ellie Lopez
You're absolutely right to bring up the worker classification issue. The IRS uses several factors to determine if someone is an employee vs independent contractor, including behavioral control, financial control, and relationship type. For day laborers picked up from hardware store parking lots, it's actually a gray area. They typically use their own basic tools, work for multiple people, and have some control over when they're available. But if you're directing exactly how they do the work, providing all equipment, and setting their schedule, they might be considered employees. The safest approach is to treat them as independent contractors but be prepared to justify that classification. Keep records showing they work for others, use their own tools when possible, and have some autonomy in how they complete tasks. If you're concerned about misclassification, consider having them sign simple independent contractor agreements.
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