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Just wanted to chime in as someone who went through this exact same situation last year with my small electrical contracting LLC. The confusion around Line 14 is totally understandable - the IRS instructions really are written like they're trying to confuse people! Based on what you've described, it sounds like you're on the right track with the advice you've gotten here. For our construction business, we had the same basic setup - ordinary business income that needed to be reported on Line 14a for self-employment tax purposes. One thing I learned the hard way is to make sure you're consistent between your Schedule K and each partner's individual K-1s. The totals on all the individual K-1s should add up to what's on the Schedule K. I made some math errors my first year and had to file amended returns. Also, since you mentioned you're trying to save money by doing this yourself, just be extra careful with the math and double-check everything. A small mistake on the partnership return affects both of your personal returns, so it can create twice the headache if you have to fix it later. Sometimes paying a CPA for a review (even if you do most of the work yourself) can be worth the peace of mind. Good luck with your first 1065 - you've got this!

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This is such great practical advice, especially about making sure the Schedule K totals match the individual K-1s! That's exactly the kind of detail that would be easy to overlook when you're doing this for the first time. I'm definitely leaning toward having a CPA at least review our work before we file. We've put so much effort into getting the business off the ground that the last thing we want is to create problems with the IRS because of filing errors. Even if it costs a few hundred dollars for a review, that seems like cheap insurance compared to dealing with amended returns and potential penalties. The point about consistency between forms is really valuable - I hadn't thought about how a mistake would ripple through both of our personal returns. That definitely makes me want to be extra careful with the math and cross-checking. Thanks for sharing your experience! It's reassuring to hear from someone who made it through their first year successfully.

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Ethan Wilson

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As a tax professional who's helped dozens of small construction LLCs with their first partnership returns, I want to emphasize something that hasn't been mentioned yet - make sure you understand the difference between your distributive share and actual distributions when completing Line 14. Line 14a should reflect your share of the partnership's self-employment income regardless of how much cash you actually took out of the business. So even if you and your brother-in-law only withdrew $30,000 each but your share of business income was $53,000 each (after removing rental income), you'd still report the full $53,000 on Line 14a. This is a common source of confusion for new partnership filers. The self-employment tax is based on your allocated share of income, not your actual cash distributions. Any money you left in the business for equipment, working capital, etc. is still subject to self-employment tax in the year it was earned. Also, since you mentioned revenue of $135,000 for two partners, make sure you're properly tracking and deducting all your legitimate business expenses. Construction businesses often have significant deductible expenses (tools, vehicle expenses, materials, etc.) that can substantially reduce your taxable income if properly documented. The difference between gross revenue and net income after expenses is what determines your Line 14 amounts. Keep excellent records going forward - the IRS pays extra attention to cash-heavy businesses like construction, so having solid documentation will serve you well in the long run.

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This is an excellent point about distributive share vs. actual distributions! I'm just getting started with understanding partnership taxation, and this distinction would have definitely tripped me up. So just to make sure I understand correctly - if our business made a profit of $106,000 after expenses (giving us $53,000 each in distributive share), but we only took out $30,000 each in cash, we'd still owe self-employment tax on the full $53,000 each? That seems like it could create a cash flow issue if you're reinvesting heavily in the business. Also, you mentioned the IRS pays extra attention to cash-heavy businesses - is there anything specific construction LLCs should be doing differently in terms of record keeping? We've been pretty good about keeping receipts for materials and equipment, but I'm wondering if there are other documentation requirements we should be aware of. Thanks for the professional insight - it's really helpful to get perspective from someone who works with businesses like ours regularly!

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Ryder Ross

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dont forget to check if your state has its own supplemental subsidy too! i live in california and we get extra help on top of the federal subsidies, but you have to pay those back separately. its confusing because some states have different rules for repayment than the federal system

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This is a really good point - I'm in Massachusetts and we have ConnectorCare which has its own subsidy structure that works alongside the federal ACA subsidies. When I had an income change, I had to update both systems and the reconciliation process was different for each. What's the California program called?

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Ryan Kim

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Great question about ACA subsidy reconciliation! I went through something similar last year as a self-employed consultant. One key thing to remember is that you should definitely update your income estimate on the Marketplace as soon as you realize it's going to be higher - don't wait until tax time. This will reduce your monthly subsidy going forward and minimize the repayment shock at tax time. Also, keep in mind that the self-employed health insurance deduction (which goes on Schedule 1) is actually more valuable than just writing off premiums as a business expense, because it reduces your adjusted gross income. This can help lower your overall tax bracket and potentially affect other income-based calculations. If you're close to the 400% Federal Poverty Line threshold that Kyle mentioned, you might want to consider some year-end tax planning strategies to keep your income under that cap if possible - like maxing out retirement contributions or other deductible expenses.

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Question for anyone who might know - I have a similar situation but with a 1099-K for online selling. Is that treated the same way as OP's 1099-MISC? And do we get to deduct expenses against that income?

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1099-K is quite different from 1099-MISC. The 1099-K reports payment transactions processed through third-party networks (like PayPal, Venmo, etc.) or credit card processors. This would typically be reported on Schedule C as business income, where you CAN deduct legitimate business expenses against it. Unlike a scholarship on a 1099-MISC, which is generally just added to your income, 1099-K income is treated as self-employment income in most cases. This means you'll pay both income tax AND self-employment tax (15.3%) on the net profit. The key advantage is being able to deduct expenses - inventory costs, shipping supplies, platform fees, etc. These deductions can significantly reduce your taxable income from these activities.

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Andre Dubois

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This is a classic example of how additional income can create a much bigger tax impact than people expect. Your $5,000 grant isn't just taxed in isolation - it's stacked on top of your W-2 income, which means it's taxed at your highest marginal rate. With $72K in W-2 income, you're likely in the 22% tax bracket for 2024, so that $5,000 grant gets hit with 22% federal tax (about $1,100) plus any state taxes. Since nothing was withheld from the grant, you're paying that full amount at filing time. The real kicker is that this additional income also reduced the refund you would have gotten from your W-2 overwithholding. So you're seeing both the tax on the new income AND the loss of your expected refund. For next year, definitely consider making quarterly estimated payments if you receive similar grants, or increase your W-4 withholding to cover the extra tax liability. The IRS expects you to pay taxes throughout the year, not just at filing time.

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This explanation really helps clarify what happened! I didn't realize that the grant income would essentially "use up" my refund from overwithholding on my W-2. So I'm basically paying the tax on the grant PLUS losing the refund I was expecting - that's why the swing from +$650 to -$1,300 feels so dramatic. The quarterly estimated payments idea makes sense. Is there a rule of thumb for how much to set aside? Like should I assume 22% of any untaxed income I receive throughout the year?

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Carmen, I completely understand your confusion - I was in almost the exact same position when my father passed two years ago and left me as executor. The Form 1041 requirements can be really overwhelming when you're already dealing with everything else that comes with losing a family member. Based on what you've described with $230k in assets, you're definitely not dealing with federal estate taxes (that's Form 706 and only kicks in over $12+ million). The Form 1041 is just about income taxes on any money the estate earns after your uncle's death. Here's what I learned the hard way: start by getting that EIN for the estate immediately if you haven't already - you'll need it for everything. Then track every penny of income the estate receives after the date of death. Even small amounts like $50 in bank interest can add up and push you over that $600 filing threshold. The retirement accounts you mentioned will likely pass directly to beneficiaries without creating estate income, but if those accounts earned anything between death and distribution, that might be taxable to the estate. Get "date of death" statements from all financial institutions - they know exactly how to break this down. Honestly, for your first time as executor, I'd strongly recommend finding a CPA who specializes in estate taxes. Yes, it costs around $1000, but the peace of mind and avoiding costly mistakes is worth it. The IRS doesn't care that you're new to this - penalties are the same regardless. You're going to get through this! It feels impossible at first but becomes much more manageable once you start organizing everything systematically.

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Tristan's advice about getting date of death statements is spot on - I wish I had known to ask for those specifically when I was dealing with my aunt's estate. The financial institutions really do know how to break down what income belongs to the estate versus what was earned before death, but you have to ask for it in the right way. One thing I'd add is don't forget about any final paychecks, pension payments, or Social Security benefits that might have been issued after death. Those often get overlooked but can push you over the $600 threshold. I almost missed a final pension payment that came in about 6 weeks after my aunt passed. Carmen, the overwhelm you're feeling is completely normal. I remember staring at all the paperwork and feeling like I was in way over my head. But breaking it down into small steps really helps - get the EIN first, then gather all the financial statements, then decide whether to DIY or hire help. You don't have to figure it all out at once.

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Carmen, I can absolutely relate to feeling overwhelmed by the Form 1041 requirements - I was thrown into the executor role for my mother's estate three years ago with zero preparation and felt completely lost at first. Looking at your situation with $230k in assets, you're dealing with a manageable estate size that's well below any federal estate tax thresholds. The key thing to focus on is whether the estate generated more than $600 in income after your uncle's death - this includes any interest from bank accounts, dividends from investments, or gains from asset sales. Here's my practical advice based on what I learned: First, get that EIN for the estate immediately through the IRS website if you haven't already. Second, contact every financial institution holding your uncle's assets and request "date of death" valuations and income statements. They'll break down exactly what income was earned before vs. after death, which determines what goes on his final Form 1040 versus the estate's Form 1041. Don't feel pressured to do this alone - estate tax returns have complexities that even experienced tax preparers sometimes struggle with. The $900-1200 CPA fees others mentioned are reasonable considering the potential penalties for errors or missed deadlines. I tried to save money by doing it myself initially and ended up paying a professional anyway after getting confused about beneficiary distributions and K-1 forms. One often-overlooked detail: if any of those retirement accounts had required minimum distributions your uncle hadn't taken before passing, those might need special handling. A qualified estate tax professional will catch these nuances that could save you from IRS headaches later. You've got this! The process feels impossible at first but becomes much more manageable once you start organizing the financial information systematically.

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Zoe's point about required minimum distributions is really important and something I hadn't considered! Carmen, when you contact the financial institutions about your uncle's retirement accounts, make sure to specifically ask if there were any outstanding RMDs for the year he passed away. These can create unexpected tax obligations that need to be handled carefully. Also, I wanted to mention that the IRS has a helpful publication (Publication 559) specifically for survivors, executors, and administrators that breaks down a lot of these requirements in more digestible language than the Form 1041 instructions. It's still technical, but it helped me understand the big picture when I was feeling overwhelmed with my grandfather's estate. One more thing - don't forget to keep detailed records of everything, even expenses that might seem minor. Things like certified mail fees for sending notices to beneficiaries, travel expenses to handle estate business, and even storage costs for estate property can potentially be deductible. I kept a simple notebook and receipts in a folder, which made things much easier when it came time to actually prepare the return.

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Great discussion here! I'm dealing with a similar ISO situation and wanted to add one more consideration that's been crucial for my planning - the impact of state taxes. I live in California, which doesn't conform to federal ISO treatment. CA treats ISOs like NQSOs for state tax purposes, meaning I owe state income tax immediately upon exercise on the bargain element, even if I don't sell any shares. This significantly changes the cash flow calculations for exercise-and-hold strategies. For anyone in high-tax states like CA, NY, or NJ, make sure you're factoring in the immediate state tax liability when planning your ISO exercises. It can be a substantial cash requirement that's easy to overlook when focusing on the federal AMT implications. I ended up having to sell more shares than I originally planned just to cover the unexpected state tax bill. Would definitely recommend running the numbers for both federal and state before executing any ISO strategy.

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This is such an important point that often gets overlooked! I'm also in California and got hit with this exact surprise last year. The immediate state tax liability on ISO exercises really changes the math significantly. One thing I learned the hard way is that California also doesn't allow you to reduce the state taxable income even if you make a disqualifying disposition in the same year. So unlike the federal treatment where a disqualifying disposition eliminates the AMT adjustment, California still taxes the full bargain element regardless. For anyone planning ISO exercises in non-conforming states, I'd strongly recommend working with a tax professional who understands both the federal and state implications. The cash flow planning becomes much more complex when you're dealing with immediate state taxes plus potential federal AMT. Thanks for bringing this up - it could save someone from a very unpleasant tax surprise!

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Chloe Martin

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This is exactly the kind of detailed ISO discussion I needed to see! I'm facing a similar decision and have been researching the tax implications extensively. One additional consideration that might be helpful - timing your ISO exercises strategically around other income events. For example, if you're expecting a bonus or RSU vesting that will push you into a higher tax bracket, exercising ISOs in a different tax year could help manage your AMT exposure. The AMT exemption phases out at higher income levels, so spreading the bargain element across multiple years can sometimes reduce your overall tax burden. Also, for those dealing with multiple ISO grants with different vesting schedules, consider exercising older grants first if you're doing a partial exercise strategy. This helps you start the holding period clock earlier for qualifying dispositions (which require both 1 year from exercise AND 2 years from grant date). The state tax conformity issue that @Daniel Washington mentioned is crucial - I'm in Texas so I don't have that concern, but it really highlights how location-specific these strategies can be. Definitely recommend running scenarios for your specific tax situation before making any moves.

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@Chloe Martin makes excellent points about strategic timing! I m'new to navigating ISOs but this discussion has been incredibly helpful. One question I have - when you mention exercising older grants first for the holding period, does this strategy still make sense if the older grants have a higher exercise price? I m'trying to balance the holding period optimization with the cash flow impact. My oldest grant has an exercise price of $12 while my newer grants are at $6, but the current FMV is around $35. Would it still be better to exercise the older, more expensive grants first even though they require more cash outlay per share? Also, for those mentioning multi-year planning - are there any rules about how far apart you can spread ISO exercises, or is it just limited by the option expiration dates? Thanks for all the insights everyone has shared!

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