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Kaylee Cook

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Has anyone used TurboTax for this? Do they handle HSA excess contributions properly? I'm in a similar situation with about $45 in excess contributions.

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I used TurboTax last year for a similar issue. It does handle Form 8889 and Form 5329, but the interview process wasn't very clear for excess HSA contributions. I actually had to manually override some entries to get it right. If your situation is straightforward, it should work, but for anything complex, I found their guidance lacking.

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I went through something very similar last year with multiple HSA accounts due to employer changes. For your $16 excess, you're absolutely making the right call to just pay the 6% tax - it's only going to cost you about $0.96. One thing to keep in mind: if you don't correct the excess contribution, you'll technically owe that 6% tax each year until the excess is removed. However, given how small the amount is, even paying it for several years would cost less than the time and hassle of trying to coordinate distributions from closed HSA accounts. For future reference, if you ever have a larger excess contribution, you can also "absorb" it by contributing less than your annual limit in a subsequent year. The excess essentially gets offset against your unused contribution room. But again, for $16, just paying the tax is definitely the path of least resistance. Make sure to keep good records of this excess contribution and the tax payments in case the IRS ever asks about it down the road.

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NeonNebula

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This is really helpful advice! I'm dealing with a similar situation but with a $28 excess contribution from when I changed jobs mid-year. The "absorbing" it in future years by under-contributing is something I hadn't heard of before - that sounds much simpler than trying to get distributions from my old HSA provider. Just to make sure I understand correctly - if my annual HSA limit next year is $4,300 and I only contribute $4,272, that would effectively "use up" my $28 excess from this year? And I wouldn't owe the 6% tax going forward? Also, do you know if there's any special reporting required when you offset an excess this way, or does it just naturally work out on Form 8889?

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Is filing for Trader Tax Status worth it with 5000+ trades/year or is there a catch?

I'm doing a ton of day trading lately - averaging 15-20 trades daily, and back in July I was hitting 50-70 trades/day. My research shows some traders qualify for IRS Trader Status with just 150 trades/year, and I've already blown past 5,000 this year. Most of my trades are short holds (2-3 minutes) where I short stocks, wait for a 10-15 cent drop, then buy to cover. Here's what I'm dealing with: 1. I don't understand Mark to Market accounting. Last year my tax docs were like 80 pages from Fidelity and Coinbase transactions. H&R Block helped me but warned they'd charge hourly next time if I don't summarize my transactions better. 2. I got laid off and rehired this year, plus started earning on Patreon. Would Trader Status be visible to my employer? Could it create liability issues? I'm paranoid about anything resembling insider trading accusations, so I never trade my employer's stock. 3. Capital losses are killing me. I have $3,250 leftover losses from last year plus $6,500 this year. My gains basically just let me break even, but with the $3,000 loss cap, it looks like I made money for tax purposes when I actually lost money. 4. If Trader Status makes sense, how do I pursue it? Would the benefit of claiming an extra $7,000 in losses (roughly $1,400 tax refund) be worth the hassle? Can H&R Block handle this or do I need a specialized CPA? 5. I absolutely don't want to incorporate as a business since that would create conflicts with my current job and might raise red flags for future employers. Any advice from people who've dealt with this?

I've been through a similar situation with high-volume trading and can share some practical insights. With 5,000+ trades, you definitely meet the frequency requirement, but the IRS also looks at whether trading is your primary income source and if you're conducting it like a business (regular hours, dedicated workspace, etc.). A few key points from my experience: **Mark to Market Election**: This is the game-changer for your capital loss limitation problem. With MTM, all your gains and losses become ordinary income/losses, eliminating the $3,000 annual cap. However, you lose preferential capital gains rates on everything. **Employment Concerns**: Trader status is just a tax classification and wouldn't automatically be visible to employers. However, if you're concerned about conflicts of interest, document that you never trade your employer's stock and maintain clear separation between your employment and trading activities. **Documentation**: Start keeping detailed records now - trading journal, time spent, equipment used, educational materials purchased. The IRS wants to see this is a business activity, not just investing. **Professional Help**: Given the complexity and your volume, I'd recommend finding a CPA who specializes in trader taxes rather than H&R Block. Yes, it costs more upfront ($1,000-2,000), but the potential tax savings and audit protection are worth it. **State Considerations**: Since you're in Texas, you avoid most state complications, but keep this in mind if you ever relocate. The math generally works in your favor with your volume, but get professional guidance before making the election - it's largely irrevocable.

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This is incredibly helpful, thank you for sharing your real-world experience! A couple of follow-up questions: When you mention "regular hours" and "dedicated workspace" - how strict is the IRS about this? I do most of my trading during market hours but don't have a separate office space, just a corner of my living room with my computer setup. Would that be sufficient documentation? Also, regarding the "largely irrevocable" nature of the MTM election - what would constitute grounds for the IRS to allow revocation if circumstances changed (like if I significantly reduced my trading volume or changed jobs to something that made continued trading problematic)? Finally, do you have any recommendations for finding CPAs who specialize in trader taxes? Is there a particular certification or association I should look for?

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Great questions! Let me address each from my experience: **Workspace Requirements**: The IRS isn't looking for a separate office - a dedicated corner with your trading setup is perfectly adequate. What matters more is that you can show this space is regularly and exclusively used for trading. Take photos, keep receipts for equipment, and document that this area is your "trading desk." I use a corner of my bedroom and it's never been an issue. **MTM Revocation**: The IRS rarely allows revocation, but grounds typically include significant changes in circumstances like: ceasing to be a trader entirely (not just reducing volume), material changes in the nature of your business, or if the election was made in error due to incorrect advice. Simply changing jobs usually wouldn't qualify unless the new job legally prohibited trading activities. **Finding Specialist CPAs**: Look for CPAs who are members of the National Association of Tax Professionals (NATP) or American Institute of CPAs (AICPA) with specific securities/trader experience. I found mine through the AICPA's directory by searching for "securities trader" specialization. Also check if they've published articles on trader taxation or speak at trading conferences - that's usually a good sign they truly specialize rather than just claiming to. You can also ask potential CPAs specific questions about Section 475(f) elections and wash sale calculations. If they can't immediately discuss the nuances, keep looking. One more tip: Start documenting your trading business activities now, even before making any elections. Time spent analyzing markets, educational expenses, trading-related subscriptions - all of this supports your case for business treatment.

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I've been following this discussion with great interest as I'm in a somewhat similar situation with around 2,800 trades this year. One aspect that hasn't been fully addressed is the timing of making the MTM election if you decide to go that route. From what I've researched, if you want MTM to apply to your 2024 taxes (filing in 2025), you need to make that election by the original due date of your 2024 return (April 15, 2025) - no extensions allowed. This means you have a relatively short window to decide and get the paperwork filed correctly. Given that we're already well into 2024, you might want to focus on whether MTM makes sense for your 2025 tax year instead, which would give you more time to properly document your trading business activities and consult with a qualified CPA. Also, regarding your concern about H&R Block's hourly charges - many specialized tax pros who handle trader status actually offer flat fees for this type of work since they're experienced with the volume. The $500-1,000 range mentioned earlier is pretty typical, and when you factor in the potential tax savings from eliminating that capital loss limitation, it usually pays for itself. One practical tip: start categorizing your trades now by holding period and strategy. This will help both you and your tax preparer determine if trader status makes sense and will make the documentation process much smoother.

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Kaiya Rivera

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This is really solid advice about the timing constraints. I hadn't fully grasped how tight the election deadlines are. Given that we're already deep into 2024, focusing on 2025 does seem like the smarter approach - it would give me time to properly document everything and make an informed decision. Your point about flat fees is reassuring too. I was getting stressed about potentially racking up huge hourly charges, but if specialized CPAs typically offer flat rates for trader status work, that makes the math much clearer. The potential $1,400+ in tax savings from eliminating the capital loss cap would definitely cover a $500-1,000 professional fee. I'm going to start categorizing my trades by holding period like you suggested. Most of mine are very short-term (2-3 minute holds), but I do have a few longer positions mixed in that I should separate out for analysis. One question - when you mention documenting "trading business activities," what specific types of documentation have you found most important? I spend a lot of time researching and monitoring positions, but I haven't been formally tracking that time or the resources I use.

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GamerGirl99

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I'm going through this exact same situation right now! Filed my 2024 taxes in early February and got the dreaded "refund on hold" notice last week. They want my 2022 W-2 that I apparently never filed (oops!). Reading through everyone's experiences here is both reassuring and terrifying - 6-10 weeks seems to be the consensus, which means I'm looking at late April/early May for my refund. As a fellow grad student, I totally feel your pain about needing that money for summer expenses! I'm planning to send mine certified mail this week after reading all these suggestions. Has anyone tried calling the IRS upfront to ask exactly which documents they need? I want to make sure I'm not missing anything else that could cause additional delays. The last thing I want is to wait 8 weeks only to find out they needed something else too. Thanks for starting this thread - it's incredibly helpful to hear real timelines from people who've actually been through this process!

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Melody Miles

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Hey there! I'm new to this community but unfortunately not new to tax issues šŸ˜… I'm actually dealing with something similar right now - my 2024 refund is held up because I need to file some missing 2023 forms. Reading through everyone's experiences here has been super helpful! One thing I noticed from the comments is that calling the IRS upfront is definitely worth it, even though the wait times are brutal. A few people mentioned that agents can sometimes tell you exactly what's missing and even make notes on your account to help speed things up. @GamerGirl99 I'd definitely recommend calling before you send anything - better to wait on hold for a few hours now than to potentially wait months only to find out you needed additional documents. Also, has anyone tried the online IRS account to see if it shows what specific documents they're requesting? I'm wondering if that might give more detailed info than just the generic "we need your 2022 W-2" notice. Good luck with your refund - hopefully we'll all get through this waiting game soon! šŸ¤ž

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Norah Quay

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Welcome to the tax hold waiting room club! 😩 I'm currently on week 7 of waiting for my 2024 refund after mailing in my missing 2021 return. Based on what I'm seeing here, it looks like most people are getting their refunds released between weeks 6-10, so there's definitely light at the end of the tunnel. A few things I learned the hard way that might help you: 1. **Check your online account transcript weekly** - it updates before the refund status tool and shows processing codes that indicate movement 2. **Call exactly at 4 weeks** - don't wait longer because if there's an issue, you'll want to catch it early 3. **Keep detailed records** - write down dates, confirmation numbers, and who you spoke with The certified mail suggestion is spot-on. I used regular mail initially and had no way to prove they received it when I called. Had to resend everything certified, which added another 2 weeks to my timeline. For what it's worth, even though the wait is brutal, every person I've talked to who went through this process eventually got their refund. The IRS is slow but they do process these holds systematically. Hang in there - your summer ramen budget will thank you later! šŸœ

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Thanks for sharing your timeline! Week 7 sounds rough but it's encouraging to know there's an end in sight. The transcript checking tip is gold - I had no idea it updated before the main refund status tool. Quick question for you and others who've been through this: when you call at the 4-week mark, what's the best number to use? I've seen different IRS phone numbers mentioned and I want to make sure I'm calling the right department that can actually help with refund holds vs just getting transferred around for hours. Also really appreciate the reminder about keeping detailed records. I'm definitely going to start a spreadsheet to track everything - dates, confirmation numbers, who I talked to, etc. This whole process is stressful enough without having to remember all the details! Here's hoping we both see some movement on our accounts soon! šŸ¤ž

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I've been tracking this for years and there definitely seems to be a pattern, though it's not 100% consistent. From what I've observed, the IRS typically sends out refund batches on Tuesday evenings that hit most bank accounts Wednesday morning, and Thursday evenings that show up Friday morning. But like others mentioned, your bank's processing time is the real wildcard here. I use a local credit union and usually see deposits by 6 AM on those days, while my friends with major banks like Wells Fargo or Chase sometimes don't see theirs until later in the morning or even the next business day. The key is checking your transcript for the 846 code - that'll give you the actual issue date, then just add 1-3 business days depending on your bank's policies.

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Zainab Ali

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This is really insightful! I'm new to tracking refunds this closely and had no idea about the transcript 846 code. As someone who banks with a smaller regional bank, I'm curious if they tend to process more like credit unions or major banks? Also, do you know if the Tuesday/Thursday batch pattern has been consistent this tax season, or have you noticed any changes compared to previous years? Thanks for sharing your tracking data - it's super helpful for those of us trying to plan around refund timing!

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Khalil Urso

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Regional banks usually fall somewhere in between credit unions and major banks for processing speed. They're typically faster than the big national banks but not quite as quick as credit unions. From what I've seen this season, the Tuesday/Thursday pattern seems to be holding pretty steady, though there have been a few random deposits on Mondays that threw people off. The 846 code is definitely your best friend - it takes all the guesswork out of when to expect your refund. Just remember to add that 1-3 day buffer for your bank's processing time!

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Based on my experience working in banking operations, the IRS doesn't have an official public schedule for refund deposits, but there are definitely observable patterns. The Treasury uses the Federal Reserve's ACH system, which processes Monday through Friday. Most financial institutions I've worked with receive IRS refund batches primarily on Tuesday and Thursday nights, which then post to customer accounts Wednesday and Friday mornings respectively. However, during peak filing season (February through mid-April), the IRS may process additional batches to handle the volume. The real variable is your bank - some post immediately upon receipt, others hold until their next business day processing cycle. If you're anxiously waiting, I'd recommend checking your account transcript for the 846 code rather than relying solely on WMR, as it gives you the actual issue date from the IRS side.

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Aria Khan

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This is exactly the kind of insider perspective I was hoping to find! As someone who's been stressing about when my refund will hit, it's really reassuring to hear from someone with actual banking operations experience. The Tuesday/Thursday batch processing makes so much sense now - I've been checking my account randomly throughout the week when I should have been focusing on those specific days. I'm definitely going to pull my transcript tonight to look for that 846 code. Quick question though - when you say "peak filing season," does that mean there might be additional processing days during busy periods, or just that the Tuesday/Thursday batches might be larger? Thanks for sharing your knowledge!

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During peak filing season, it's typically both - larger batches on the regular Tuesday/Thursday schedule, plus occasional additional processing days when volume is exceptionally high. I've seen Wednesday and even Monday batches during the busiest weeks in February and March. The IRS basically ramps up their processing capacity to handle the surge, but they still try to stick to the ACH system's normal business day schedule. Your transcript will show the exact date regardless of which batch your refund was in, so that's always your most reliable source. Hope that helps clarify things!

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Hugo Kass

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This thread has been incredibly educational! As someone who handles M-1 adjustments regularly, I want to emphasize one critical point that could save others from a costly mistake. Make sure you're documenting your prepaid expense tracking methodology in your workpapers and being consistent year over year. I had a client get selected for an IRS exam specifically on their M-1 adjustments, and the agent spent significant time reviewing how we handled multi-year prepaid expenses under the 12-month rule. Having that detailed tracking schedule that shows the book basis, tax basis, excluded amounts, and annual amortization was crucial for demonstrating compliance. The agent actually complimented our documentation approach, which helped the exam go smoothly. A few additional tips from that experience: - Keep copies of the original invoices/contracts showing the benefit periods - Document your 12-month rule analysis for each significant prepaid item - Consider adding a memo explaining your methodology for future reference - Double-check that your M-1 adjustments tie to your supporting schedules The time investment upfront in setting up proper tracking pays huge dividends if you ever face scrutiny on these adjustments. Better to over-document than scramble to recreate your logic years later during an audit.

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This is excellent advice about documentation! I'm relatively new to handling complex M-1 adjustments and hadn't fully considered the audit trail implications. Your point about keeping original invoices and contracts showing benefit periods is particularly helpful - I can see how that would be crucial evidence if questioned by an examiner. One question about your documentation approach - do you include the 12-month rule analysis directly in your tax workpapers, or do you maintain it as a separate supporting document? I'm trying to figure out the most efficient way to organize this information so it's accessible both for annual preparation and potential future audits. Also, when you mention "consider adding a memo explaining your methodology," are you referring to a general memo about how you handle all prepaid expenses for that client, or specific memos for each significant prepaid item? I want to make sure I'm striking the right balance between thorough documentation and practical efficiency. Thanks for sharing your audit experience - it really helps to hear how these issues play out in practice!

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As a newcomer to this community, I'm incredibly grateful for this detailed discussion! I've been struggling with these exact M-1 adjustment issues for prepaid expenses and this thread has been more helpful than any textbook or training I've encountered. The consensus approach of maintaining a separate tracking schedule that shows book basis vs. tax basis makes so much sense. I especially appreciate @Ryder Greene's breakdown of the Big 4 methodology and @Hugo Kass's audit documentation tips. I'm currently working on a corporate return where the client has prepaid software licenses spanning 3 years, and I was getting completely lost trying to figure out the proper M-1 treatment. Based on this discussion, I'm going to: 1. Create a dedicated workpaper tracking the excluded amount under the 12-month rule 2. Set up annual amortization of that exclusion over the benefit period 3. Calculate each year's M-1 adjustment as the change in the tax-book difference 4. Document my methodology thoroughly for future reference One quick question - for software licenses that auto-renew annually but are paid upfront for multiple years, do you treat each annual license period separately for the 12-month rule analysis, or as one continuous multi-year agreement? I want to make sure I'm applying the rule correctly to this specific situation. Thanks again to everyone who contributed - this community is an amazing resource!

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