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I'm dealing with this exact same issue right now! Just started a new job two weeks ago and my federal withholding seems way higher than expected. I'm also single with no dependents and one job, but I made the mistake of leaving everything blank except the basic info. Reading through all these responses has been incredibly helpful - especially the explanation about how leaving the optional sections blank defaults to "single with 0 allowances" equivalent. That explains why so much is being taken out compared to my previous job where I claimed 2 allowances. I'm definitely going to try the IRS Tax Withholding Estimator first since it's free and seems to be the most accurate approach. The $8,600 deduction amount that several people mentioned gives me a good starting point to expect, but I want to make sure I get the exact right number for my salary. Has anyone here had experience with how long HR departments typically take to process W4 changes? I'm hoping to get this sorted out quickly since I'm losing a significant amount from each paycheck right now.

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AstroAce

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I can share my recent experience with W4 processing times! I submitted my updated W4 to HR on a Tuesday, and the changes showed up in my paycheck exactly two weeks later (which was my next pay period). My company processes payroll every other Friday, so it worked out perfectly. Most HR departments I've worked with process W4 changes within 1-2 pay cycles, but it really depends on when you submit it relative to their payroll processing schedule. If you submit it right after they've already processed the current period, you might have to wait for the next cycle. I'd suggest submitting your new W4 as soon as you run the IRS calculator and get your numbers. Even if it takes a few weeks to kick in, at least you'll know you're on track to have the right withholding for the rest of the year. The temporary over-withholding will just mean a slightly bigger refund, which isn't the end of the world. Good luck with the calculator - it really is much easier than people make it sound once you have your pay stub and last year's return handy!

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Nathan Kim

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I'm going through this exact situation right now too! Just switched jobs last month and was completely thrown off by the new W4. Like many others here, I left the optional sections blank and my first paycheck had way more federal taxes taken out than I expected. The explanation about how leaving sections blank defaults to "0 allowances" equivalent really clicked for me - no wonder the withholding felt so high compared to my old job where I also claimed 2 allowances. I just finished using the IRS Tax Withholding Estimator that everyone's been recommending, and it was actually much simpler than I anticipated. Took about 15 minutes with my pay stub and last year's tax return. For my situation (single, one job, ~$65K salary), it recommended putting $8,400 in Step 4(b), which is pretty close to that $8,600 rule of thumb people mentioned. Planning to submit the updated W4 to my HR department tomorrow. Really appreciate everyone sharing their experiences - it's so helpful to know I'm not the only one confused by this transition from the old allowances system!

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Naila Gordon

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That's so reassuring to hear someone else went through the exact same experience! I was starting to feel like I was the only one who found this transition so confusing. The fact that the IRS calculator gave you $8,400 for a similar salary range gives me confidence that the tool really does provide personalized recommendations rather than just generic numbers. I'm curious - did you find any parts of the calculator particularly tricky, or was it pretty straightforward once you had your documents ready? I'm planning to tackle it this weekend but want to make sure I set aside enough time and have everything I need prepared beforehand. It's also good to know that even with all the confusion, we're all ending up with fairly similar numbers for the deductions line. Makes me feel more confident that there's actually a logical system behind all this, even if it's not immediately obvious like the old allowances were.

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Yara Campbell

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I'm currently experiencing this exact same situation! My Michigan return has been under review for 5 days now, and like so many others here, I also have medical expenses I need to plan for (some diagnostic tests my doctor ordered). It's incredibly reassuring to read everyone's experiences and see that this is happening to a lot of people this filing season. The lack of any timeline estimate from Michigan Treasury is definitely the most frustrating part, especially when you're trying to coordinate healthcare expenses. Based on all the shared experiences in this thread, it sounds like that 14-21 day range is pretty typical for these reviews, and most resolve automatically without requiring any additional documentation. I'm going to try to be patient and wait at least 2 weeks before calling, but it's comforting to know that when people do call, they usually get helpful context about what triggered the review. The randomness factor that several people mentioned actually makes me feel better - knowing it's likely just routine verification rather than an error on my part. Thanks to everyone for sharing their timelines and outcomes here. This thread has been a lifesaver for managing the anxiety that comes with waiting on funds you're counting on for medical needs. I'll definitely update with my progress to help others who are starting this waiting period!

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Ava Williams

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I'm in the exact same situation - my Michigan return went under review 3 days ago and I was starting to panic until I found this thread! Like everyone else here, I also have medical expenses coming up (some physical therapy sessions I need to start soon after an injury) and was really depending on that refund timeline being predictable. Reading everyone's experiences has been such a relief - it sounds like this is way more common this year than I realized. The 2-3 week timeframe that most people are reporting gives me hope that it might still work out for my medical scheduling. It's so frustrating that Michigan doesn't provide any estimated completion date, especially when so many of us are trying to plan around healthcare needs. Thanks for offering to update with your progress - I'll definitely follow along and share my timeline too. It really helps knowing we're all dealing with this same uncertainty together and that most reviews seem to resolve without any issues!

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CosmicCaptain

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I'm going through the exact same thing right now! My Michigan return just changed to "under review" status 2 days ago and I immediately started worrying that I'd made some error on my filing. Finding this thread has been such a huge relief because it shows this is happening to so many people this tax season. Like many others here, I also have upcoming medical expenses (some specialist appointments and lab work my doctor ordered) and was really counting on that refund timeline being predictable like it has been in previous years. The complete lack of any estimated timeframe from Michigan Treasury is incredibly frustrating when you're trying to budget for healthcare costs. From reading everyone's shared experiences, it sounds like that 2-3 week window is pretty standard for these reviews, and the vast majority seem to resolve automatically without requiring any additional documentation from us. The randomness factor that several people mentioned actually makes me feel better - knowing it's likely just routine verification rather than something I did wrong. I'm going to try to be patient and wait at least 2 weeks before calling, but it's reassuring to know that when people do reach out, they usually get helpful information about what triggered the review. Thanks to everyone for sharing your timelines and outcomes here - this thread has been a lifesaver for managing the anxiety that comes with waiting on money you're counting on for medical needs. I'll definitely update with my progress to help others who are just starting this waiting period. We're all in this together!

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I'm literally in the exact same boat right now! My Michigan return went under review yesterday and I immediately thought I'd messed something up on my filing. This thread has been such a godsend - it's amazing how many of us are dealing with this identical situation this year. I also have medical expenses coming up (some follow-up care after a recent procedure) and was really depending on that predictable timeline we've had in previous years. The fact that Michigan gives zero indication of how long this will take is so stressful when you're trying to coordinate healthcare payments. Based on everyone's shared experiences here, that 14-21 day range seems to be the norm and most people get through without any issues. It's actually comforting to know it's likely just random verification rather than an error on my part. I'm going to try to wait at least 2 weeks before calling, but knowing others have gotten helpful info when they do call makes me feel better. Thanks for suggesting we all update with our progress - it really helps to know we're not alone in this waiting game!

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Tony Brooks

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Anyone know if mining rewards are treated differently for tax purposes than just buying crypto? I did some ETH mining in 2023 along with regular purchases.

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Sofia Price

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Mining rewards are treated as income at the fair market value of the crypto on the day you received it. So if you mined 0.1 ETH when ETH was worth $2,000, you'd report $200 of income. Then that $200 becomes your cost basis for that 0.1 ETH. When you eventually sell it, you'll calculate capital gains/losses based on that $200 cost basis, not what you might have paid to buy similar amounts of ETH.

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Just to add to the excellent advice here - make sure you keep detailed records of EVERYTHING, even the purchases you don't need to report right now. The IRS uses FIFO (First In, First Out) accounting by default for crypto unless you elect specific identification, so when you do eventually sell, you'll need those early purchase records to calculate your cost basis correctly. I learned this the hard way when I sold some Bitcoin in 2022 and realized I needed purchase records going back to 2019 to properly calculate my gains. Had to dig through old email confirmations and bank statements. Save yourself the headache and create a simple spreadsheet now with dates, amounts, and prices for all your transactions - even the small $50 purchases. Future you will thank you!

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Cynthia Love

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This is such great advice! I wish someone had told me this when I first started buying crypto. I'm pretty new to all this and have been super sloppy with my record keeping. Started buying small amounts of Bitcoin and Dogecoin a few months ago but honestly haven't been tracking much beyond what shows up in my Robinhood account. Reading through this thread is making me realize I need to get organized NOW before things get even more complicated. Do you recommend any specific apps or spreadsheet templates for tracking this stuff? I'm not very tech-savvy but want to make sure I'm prepared when tax time comes around.

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This is such a helpful thread! I had no idea about the state-level mandates still existing in some places. I'm moving from Texas to New Jersey next year and it sounds like I need to research NJ's requirements since they were mentioned as having their own mandate. One thing I'm still confused about - if I have employer-sponsored health insurance, do I need to worry about any of this? Or are these requirements mainly for people who don't have coverage through work? I get my insurance through my company's group plan, but I want to make sure I'm not missing anything when I file my taxes in the new state. Also, does anyone know if there are any other tax implications I should be aware of when moving between states with different health insurance requirements? I don't want to get hit with unexpected penalties on my first tax filing as a NJ resident.

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Javier Cruz

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If you have employer-sponsored health insurance, you're generally in good shape! Employer group plans typically meet the requirements for both federal (when it was enforced) and state mandates. New Jersey's individual mandate is very similar to what the federal ACA used to require - if you had qualifying coverage for the federal mandate, it should satisfy NJ's requirement too. When you move to NJ, you'll need to file a New Jersey state tax return and complete Form NJ-1040HC to report your health coverage. Since you'll have employer coverage, you should just need to indicate that you had qualifying insurance for the months you were a NJ resident. The main thing to watch out for is timing - if there's any gap in coverage during your move (like if you start a new job and have a waiting period before benefits kick in), that could potentially trigger a penalty for those specific months. Also, make sure your new employer's plan is considered "minimum essential coverage" - most employer plans are, but it's worth confirming.

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PixelPioneer

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This thread has been incredibly informative! I'm a tax preparer and I still get clients every year who are confused about the health insurance requirements. One thing I'd add is that even though there's no federal penalty anymore, you should still keep all your health insurance documents (1095-A, 1095-B, 1095-C forms) for your records. These forms are still issued and can be important for several reasons: they help verify coverage dates if you live in a state with its own mandate, they're needed for premium tax credit reconciliation if you got marketplace coverage with advance credits, and they can be useful if the IRS ever questions your filing or if you need to amend a return. Also, a quick tip for anyone using tax software - many programs still ask about health insurance even though it's not federally required. This is often because the software needs to handle state-specific requirements and premium tax credit calculations. Don't panic if you see health insurance questions in your tax prep software!

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Thanks for the professional perspective! As someone new to understanding all these tax changes, I really appreciate the tip about keeping those 1095 forms. I actually threw away my old ones thinking they weren't needed anymore since the mandate penalty was gone. Sounds like I should start holding onto them again just in case. Your point about tax software still asking health insurance questions makes total sense now - I was wondering why TurboTax kept asking me about coverage when I thought it didn't matter anymore. Good to know it's handling those state requirements and credit calculations behind the scenes. It's reassuring to hear from someone who deals with this professionally that these questions are normal and not a sign that I'm missing something important. Do you happen to know if there's a specific number of years we should keep these health insurance documents, or is it the same as other tax records (typically 3-7 years)?

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I've been having the exact same issue! Called at 7:10 AM this morning and got the "call back during normal business hours" message, which makes no sense when they're supposed to be open. It's incredibly frustrating when you have a time-sensitive tax question. One thing I discovered recently is that the IRS has different phone numbers for different types of issues, and some seem to have better availability than others. If you're calling about a specific notice you received, try using the phone number printed directly on that notice rather than the general taxpayer assistance line. I had much better luck when I called the number on my CP2000 notice compared to the main 1-800-829-1040 line. Also, I've found that calling exactly at 7:00 AM (not even 7:01) gives you the best shot at getting through. Their system seems to hit capacity almost immediately after opening. Set an alarm and have your phone ready to dial right at 7:00 on the dot. If all else fails and you just need basic account information, the automated system at 1-800-829-1040 can actually provide quite a bit of info if you have your SSN and filing details handy. It's not ideal, but sometimes it can answer simple questions without needing to talk to a human. Hope this helps - the IRS phone situation is definitely broken, but persistence usually pays off eventually!

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This is such great advice! I never thought about using the specific number from a notice rather than the general line - that makes total sense that those would be less congested. I've been banging my head against the wall trying to get through on the main number. The timing tip about calling exactly at 7:00 AM is something I keep seeing mentioned but haven't tried yet. It's wild that we need to be so precise just to reach a government agency, but if that's what works, I'll definitely set that alarm. I appreciate you mentioning the automated system too. I usually hang up as soon as I hit the automated menu because I assume it won't have what I need, but you're right that it might be worth exploring for basic account info. Sometimes that could save hours of trying to reach a human for something simple. Thanks for sharing your experience with the CP2000 notice number - that gives me hope that there might be better routes depending on what specific issue you're dealing with. The whole system seems designed to discourage people from calling, but tips like yours make it feel more manageable!

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I've been dealing with this exact same frustration for weeks now! The IRS phone system is absolutely broken during tax season. What's worked for me is calling at exactly 7:00 AM EST - not 7:01, but right at 7:00. Their system hits capacity within minutes of opening. Also, try calling on Tuesday or Wednesday mornings if possible. Mondays and Fridays are the worst for wait times. If you're calling about a specific notice, use the phone number printed on that notice rather than the general line - those department-specific numbers often have better availability. For refund questions, the "Where's My Refund" tool on irs.gov updates daily and might save you from having to call at all. But I totally understand wanting to speak to someone when you have a complex situation like an amended return. The "call back during normal business hours" message is just their way of saying they're at maximum capacity - it doesn't mean they're actually closed. Keep trying every 15-20 minutes and you'll eventually get through. It's ridiculous that we need these workarounds just to reach our own tax agency, but persistence does pay off!

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Malik Davis

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I'm so glad to find others dealing with the same phone nightmare! I'm new to this community but have been lurking and reading all these tips. The 7:00 AM sharp strategy seems to be the consensus - I'm definitely going to try that tomorrow morning. Quick question for everyone who's had success: when you do get through, how long are the actual hold times once you're in the queue? I'm trying to figure out if I should block out my whole morning or if there's a typical wait time once you're actually connected to their system. Also, has anyone tried calling from different area codes? I heard a rumor that some regions might have less congested lines, but that could just be wishful thinking. At this point I'm willing to try anything! Thanks for all the detailed advice in this thread - it's so helpful to know I'm not the only one struggling with this.

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