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Noah Lee

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I went through this exact situation two years ago - owed about $12k for unfiled returns and was desperate to access my 401k to pay it off. My retirement plan administrator also said no, and I was frustrated at first, but they absolutely saved me from financial disaster. Here's the brutal math I discovered: withdrawing $12k from my 401k would have actually cost me around $15,800 total ($12k + $1,200 penalty + $2,600 in taxes on the withdrawal). But the real kicker is the opportunity cost - that $12k could grow to over $75k by retirement assuming 7% annual returns over 25 years. Instead, I filed my returns and got on a 72-month IRS payment plan for about $195/month. I also qualified for first-time penalty abatement which reduced my total debt by $1,400. The IRS was surprisingly reasonable to work with once I approached them proactively. Your 401k company was protecting you from making one of the worst financial decisions possible. File those returns ASAP to stop the failure-to-file penalties, then call the IRS about payment options. They have programs specifically designed to help people in your situation without destroying their retirement security. Trust me, your future self will thank you for keeping that money invested and growing rather than paying massive penalties to access it early.

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This is exactly the kind of real-world example that drives the point home! The fact that your $12k withdrawal would have actually cost $15,800 immediately, plus losing $75k in future growth, really shows why everyone in this thread has been so adamant about avoiding the 401k route. Your experience with the IRS payment plan sounds very similar to what others have described - reasonable monthly payments around $195 and significant savings from first-time penalty abatement. It's encouraging to see yet another confirmation that the IRS genuinely wants to work with people who approach them proactively rather than forcing them into financial hardship. The opportunity cost calculation is particularly eye-opening. When you frame it as choosing between a manageable monthly payment versus losing $75k in retirement growth, the decision becomes crystal clear. It really reinforces why your 401k administrator was doing you such a huge favor by refusing the withdrawal request. @2f49aef1b095 I hope you're seeing all these real experiences! The consensus from people who've actually been through this situation is overwhelming - file those returns, work with the IRS on payment plans, but protect your retirement savings at all costs. Your future self will thank you for making the smart long-term decision rather than the quick fix that costs decades of financial security.

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Freya Ross

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After reading through all these experiences, I'm convinced - staying away from my 401k is absolutely the right move. The math everyone has shared is eye-opening. Turning a $10-13k tax debt into a $15k+ hit to retirement savings, plus losing decades of compound growth, would be financial suicide. What really sealed it for me was seeing how many people successfully worked out payment plans with the IRS. Monthly payments around $150-200 for similar debt amounts, plus the possibility of first-time penalty abatement reducing the total owed - that's so much smarter than decimating my retirement. I'm going to focus on getting my unfiled returns submitted ASAP to stop those failure-to-file penalties, then set up a payment plan either online or by calling. It's reassuring to know the IRS has streamlined processes for this and genuinely wants to work with people rather than force them into financial hardship. Thanks to everyone who shared their real experiences here - you've collectively saved me from making what would have been one of the most expensive financial mistakes of my life. Sometimes the "easy" solution is actually the most costly one in the long run. My 401k administrator was absolutely protecting me by saying no, even if they couldn't explain all the details at the time.

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Nora Brooks

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The 3-year vs 2-year rule is really important! I learned this the hard way. Had a huge overpayment from 2019 that I tried to claim in 2023, but the IRS rejected it because I was past the 3-year window by like 2 months. Over $3,000 just gone!

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Eli Wang

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You might still have options! If the payment was made after the original due date, the 2-year rule might still apply. I'd request a tax transcript from the IRS and check the exact date the payment posted. If it was more than 3 years from the due date but less than 2 years from the payment date, you could appeal.

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This is exactly the kind of situation where timing matters so much! Based on what you've described, you should be good until April 2025 since the 3-year rule from the original due date would apply (as Daniel explained well above). But here's something to keep in mind - make sure you actually file your 2021 return if you haven't already! The refund statute expiration gives you the deadline to CLAIM the refund, but you need to have filed the return first. If you only made payments but never filed the actual return, the IRS won't process any refund until they have your complete filing. Also, double-check your payment records to make sure that overpayment actually got credited to your 2021 tax year and not accidentally applied elsewhere. Sometimes the IRS applies payments to different years or types of taxes than intended, especially if there were any outstanding balances on your account. You can get a tax transcript online to verify exactly how your payments were applied. Don't wait until the last minute though - even if you have until 2025, get this sorted out soon so you can actually get your money back!

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This is really helpful advice! I'm actually in a similar situation where I made a large payment in 2022 but I'm not 100% sure it got applied to the right tax year. How exactly do I get the tax transcript to check this? Can I get it online or do I need to request it by mail? Also, if the payment did get misapplied to a different year, is there a specific form I need to fill out to get it moved to the correct year, or do I just call the IRS about it?

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Just want to add that if you're caring for a disabled dependent (even if not blind), you might qualify for different tax benefits like the Credit for Other Dependents or potentially even the Child Tax Credit depending on the situation. Never assume that just because there's no specific checkbox, there aren't benefits available!

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Layla Mendes

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This is so true. I missed out on benefits for years caring for my sister because I didn't know I qualified as her caretaker. The tax forms don't make this obvious at all.

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AstroAlpha

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This is such a great question! I work as a tax preparer and see this confusion all the time. The blindness checkbox exists because it triggers a specific additional standard deduction that was written into the tax code decades ago. But you're absolutely right that it seems arbitrary compared to other disabilities. What many people don't realize is that there are actually tons of other disability-related tax benefits scattered throughout the code - they're just not as obvious as a simple checkbox. Things like the Disabled Access Credit for business owners, various medical expense deductions, and even some lesser-known credits for specific conditions. The problem is that these benefits are buried in different sections and forms, making them much harder to find and claim. I always tell my clients with disabilities (beyond blindness) to keep detailed records of all their disability-related expenses because there are often deductions available that aren't immediately obvious from the standard forms.

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Emma Anderson

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This is really helpful insight from a professional perspective! As someone new to navigating disability-related tax issues, it's frustrating how scattered these benefits are. You mentioned keeping detailed records - what specific types of expenses should people be tracking that they might not think of as tax-deductible? I'm helping my elderly parent who has mobility issues and I worry we're missing obvious deductions because they're not as straightforward as that blindness checkbox.

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Carmen Vega

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I think you're all missing a key detail - using FSA money for a child doesn't automatically mean you have to claim that child as your dependent. FSA funds can be used for any qualifying dependent, even if your ex claims them on their taxes. The real question is: did your divorce decree specify who claims which child? Many divorce agreements include language about alternating years or assigning specific children to each parent. That would override any tax tiebreaker rules.

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NeonNebula

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Our decree says we'll each claim one child each year, but it doesn't specify which parent claims which child. We've been flexible about it so far. I didn't realize I could use FSA funds on both children regardless of who claims them! That definitely gives us more options.

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Carmen Vega

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That's great that your decree already addresses this! The flexibility is helpful. And yes, you can absolutely use your Dependent Care FSA funds for both children, even if your ex claims one of them on their taxes. The IRS allows FSA funds to be used for "qualifying individuals" which includes your children under 13 who you're the parent of, regardless of whether you claim them as tax dependents. Just make sure your FSA administrator knows this rule, as sometimes they incorrectly think the child must be your tax dependent.

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Jason Brewer

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Just wanted to add one more consideration that might affect your decision - make sure you're both tracking your household expenses carefully to meet the "keeping up a home" test for head of household status. Each of you needs to pay more than half the cost of maintaining the home where your respective child lives for more than half the year. This includes rent/mortgage, utilities, food, repairs, and other household expenses. With 50/50 custody, you'll want to document which expenses each of you is paying for each household. Also, since you mentioned you're on good terms with your ex, I'd suggest running the numbers for different scenarios before deciding who claims which child. Sometimes the parent with higher income benefits more from certain credits, while the lower-income parent might get a bigger boost from the Earned Income Credit. A tax professional could help you optimize the overall tax savings for both families combined. One last tip - make sure whatever arrangement you agree on is documented in writing (even just an email between you two) in case the IRS ever questions your filing status. Good luck!

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This is really helpful advice! I'm new to navigating taxes after divorce and didn't realize there were so many moving pieces beyond just deciding who claims which kid. The "keeping up a home" test sounds like something I need to pay closer attention to - I've been splitting some expenses with my ex but wasn't tracking them systematically. Do you have any suggestions for the best way to document these household expenses? Should we be keeping separate records for each household, or is there a simpler way to track who's paying what percentage of each child's living costs? Also, when you mention getting help from a tax professional, do you mean someone who specializes in divorce-related tax situations? I'd love to make sure we're maximizing benefits for both of us rather than accidentally leaving money on the table.

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QuantumQuest

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One thing nobody has mentioned yet is that if the annuity was a joint annuity with rights of survivorship, the tax treatment would be completely different. Are you sure it wasn't this type of annuity? Sometimes these details get missed when you're dealing with the aftermath of losing someone.

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Thanks for suggesting this angle, but we've confirmed it was a single-life annuity without survivorship rights. We actually checked that possibility early on because that would have been so much simpler. It was definitely a qualified individual annuity that defaulted to the estate since no beneficiary was named.

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Amina Sy

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I've seen lots of people confuse annuity types. To clarify for others: joint annuities with survivorship rights transfer to the surviving owner without going through probate. Individual annuities without named beneficiaries go to the estate. The tax treatment is drastically different between these two scenarios.

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I'm sorry for your loss and understand how overwhelming this situation must be. Based on what you've described, you're dealing with a common but complex estate tax issue. Since the annuity had no named beneficiary and went to the estate, you're correct that the full $400k becomes taxable income to the estate in 2023. On Form 1041, you'll report this as income and can claim the 20% withholding as a credit against the estate's tax liability. Unfortunately, once qualified funds flow through an estate, the opportunity for tax-deferred treatment (like rolling to an inherited IRA) is generally lost. The estate will pay taxes on the income, then distribute the after-tax proceeds to your husband per the will. A few suggestions: 1) Consider if the estate can make distributions in the same tax year to potentially shift some tax burden to your husband if he's in a lower bracket, 2) Make sure you're claiming all allowable estate deductions on the 1041 to minimize taxable income, and 3) Consult with an estate tax professional who can review all the specific details of your situation. The K-1 your husband receives from the estate distribution won't be taxable income to him personally since the estate already paid the tax.

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This is really helpful advice, especially the point about making distributions in the same tax year. I'm new to estate taxes - can you explain more about how distributing to beneficiaries in the same year helps with the tax burden? Does the estate get a deduction for distributions made, or does it shift the income to the beneficiary's tax bracket? Also, when you mention "allowable estate deductions," what are some common ones that people miss? I want to make sure we're not leaving money on the table.

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