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Dmitry Ivanov

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Has anyone used TurboTax for claiming a parent? I tried last year and it kept asking me really confusing questions about my mom's income that I wasn't sure how to answer.

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Ava Garcia

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TurboTax works fine but you need to know which sections to use. When adding a dependent, make sure you select "qualifying relative" not "qualifying child" when it asks about dependent type. Then it will walk you through the right questions. Also make sure you have a good estimate of ALL support provided - housing fair market value (not just what you pay), food, medical, transportation, etc. I keep a spreadsheet throughout the year to track this. For your mom's Social Security, you'll need her SSA-1099 form to answer accurately.

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Javier Cruz

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I went through this exact situation with my elderly father last year and can confirm what others have said about the qualifying relative rules. The key thing that helped me was keeping detailed records throughout the year of ALL expenses. I created a simple spreadsheet with categories: housing (rent/mortgage portion for his room, utilities), food (groceries and dining out), medical (co-pays, medications, doctor visits), transportation, clothing, and personal care items. At year-end, I compared what I spent versus what he spent from his Social Security. One tip - don't forget to include the fair market value of housing. If your mom lived independently, she'd pay rent somewhere. That "rent" you're providing counts as support even if your actual housing costs are lower. I used local rental prices for a similar room/apartment to calculate this. Also keep copies of her SSA-1099 and any other income documents. Social Security is usually not taxable income unless she has other significant income sources, so you'll likely meet the income test easily. The documentation will be important if the IRS ever questions your dependent claim.

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This is really helpful advice about keeping detailed records! I'm just starting to think about this for my own situation. When you mention fair market value of housing, how did you actually research local rental prices? Did you use websites like Zillow or Apartments.com, or is there a more official way the IRS expects you to document this? I want to make sure I'm doing it right from the beginning rather than scrambling at tax time.

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Tami Morgan

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Back on March 15th, I called the IRS Business & Specialty Tax Line about this exact issue. They confirmed that the 14-digit control number is assigned during the e-filing process and appears on your acknowledgment receipt after successful submission. The community consensus here is correct - this isn't something you need to obtain before filing. Focus on getting your 1099s submitted before the April 30th deadline instead!

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Just went through this exact situation last week! I was panicking about the same thing with my freelance income reporting. After reading through all these responses, I can confirm what everyone is saying - you literally cannot get this number ahead of time because it doesn't exist until you actually submit your forms. I was about to spend hours on hold with the IRS before I realized this. Your tax software (whether it's TaxAct, TurboTax, or whatever) will handle this automatically during the e-filing process. The control number shows up on your confirmation receipt after successful submission. Don't stress about it - just focus on getting all your contractor information entered correctly and hit submit before the deadline!

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Thanks for sharing your experience! As someone new to freelance work, this whole thread has been incredibly helpful. I was getting really stressed thinking I needed to track down this mysterious number before filing. It's reassuring to know that the software handles it automatically - I've been overthinking the whole process. Quick question though: does the confirmation receipt with the control number come immediately after submission, or does it take some time to generate?

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You're definitely not missing something obvious! I had the exact same confusion when I first encountered Worksheet B. What finally helped me understand it was realizing that the IRS essentially splits the Child Tax Credit calculation into two parts: determining your base credit amount, and then checking if your income requires them to reduce it. Worksheet B handles the second part entirely. Those calculations on lines 1-14 aren't "disconnected" - they're working through a complex income limitation formula that considers your specific filing status and income level. The reason only Line 15 transfers back is because it represents your final credit amount after all possible income-based reductions have been applied. Think of it like a quality control checkpoint: you calculate your initial credit eligibility, then Worksheet B runs it through an income test to see if you get to keep the full amount. All those intermediate steps are the IRS showing you exactly how they determined whether (and by how much) your credit gets reduced. It's definitely one of the more confusing aspects of tax preparation, but once you understand that Worksheet B is essentially an income limitation calculator, it makes much more sense why only the final result matters for your return!

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Anna Stewart

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This is such a helpful way to think about it! I'm new to this community and dealing with my first Schedule 8812, and I was getting so overwhelmed by all the seemingly disconnected calculations. Your "quality control checkpoint" analogy really clarifies what's happening - it's like the IRS is saying "here's your credit, but first let us check if your income means you can't have all of it." I was definitely overthinking it and assuming I was missing some crucial form or instruction. Thanks for taking the time to explain it so clearly - this thread has been a lifesaver for understanding this confusing worksheet!

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I completely feel your pain on this one! Schedule 8812's Worksheet B is notorious for causing confusion, and you're absolutely right that it seems like a lot of disconnected math at first glance. The key insight is that Worksheet B is essentially performing an income limitation test for your Child Tax Credit. Think of it as the IRS asking: "Based on your income level, do you qualify for the full credit amount, or does it need to be reduced?" Lines 1-14 are working through a complex phase-out calculation that considers your filing status, modified adjusted gross income, and the number of qualifying children you have. These calculations determine if you're in the income range where credits start getting reduced and by exactly how much. Line 15 is the "survivor" of all that math - it's your final allowable credit amount after any income-based reductions have been applied. That's why it's the only number that transfers back to Worksheet A. The other calculations served their purpose in determining that final amount, even though they don't appear elsewhere on your return. It's definitely not the most intuitive design, but once you understand that Worksheet B is basically an income filter for your credit eligibility, the whole process makes more sense. You're not missing anything - the IRS just makes you show all the work to get to that final number!

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This is exactly the kind of explanation I wish the IRS would include right on the form itself! As someone who just joined this community because I was pulling my hair out over this same issue, your "income filter" description finally makes it click for me. I was spending hours trying to figure out where all those intermediate calculations were supposed to be used elsewhere in my tax return, not realizing they were just the building blocks for that final Line 15 number. It's so frustrating that something this important for understanding the process isn't clearly explained in the official instructions. Thank you for breaking it down in such a straightforward way - this thread has been incredibly helpful for a newcomer like me who's navigating Schedule 8812 for the first time!

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Diego Flores

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I want to share my experience as someone who went through a similar situation last year. I was offered $8,000 in cash for helping with landscaping work, and I was really tempted to just not report it. But after reading about the potential consequences, I decided to do the right thing and report it properly. It ended up being much less painful than I expected. I filed Schedule C for the self-employment income, but I was also able to deduct expenses like gas for my truck, tools I bought, and even part of my cell phone bill since I used it for work coordination. After all the deductions, I only owed taxes on about $5,500 of the income. The peace of mind has been worth it. I sleep better knowing I'm not looking over my shoulder wondering if the IRS will catch up with me someday. Plus, now I have a legitimate track record of self-employment income that could help if I ever want to apply for a loan or mortgage. My advice: report the income, keep good records of your expenses, and consider it a learning experience for handling taxes as a freelancer. It's really not as scary as it seems when you do it properly from the start.

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Noah Ali

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Thank you for sharing your experience, Diego! This is really helpful to hear from someone who actually went through it. I'm curious - did you end up owing much in self-employment tax on that $5,500 after deductions? I'm trying to figure out what the actual financial impact would be if I report the $10k properly. Also, how difficult was it to fill out Schedule C for the first time? I've never done anything beyond the basic 1040 form before.

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I really appreciate seeing all the different perspectives here. As someone who's dealt with tax issues in the past, I want to emphasize that reporting the income is absolutely the right call, even though it might seem like a hassle now. One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is that if you're going to be doing this type of work regularly, you might want to consider getting an EIN (Employer Identification Number) from the IRS. It's free and makes you look more professional when working with clients. You can also open a separate business bank account, which makes tracking income and expenses much cleaner come tax time. Also, don't forget about state taxes if your state has income tax. You'll need to report this income there too, but the good news is that most business expenses that reduce your federal taxes will also reduce your state taxes. The most important thing is to start keeping detailed records from day one. I use a simple spreadsheet to track every dollar that comes in and every business expense that goes out. It makes tax season so much easier when everything is already organized.

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Great point about getting an EIN, Sean! I hadn't thought about that but it makes a lot of sense if this turns into regular work. Quick question - when you say "separate business bank account," do most banks require you to have an actual registered business for that, or can you open one just with an EIN? I'm wondering if that's something I should set up before I start the renovation work this summer, or if I can handle everything through my personal account for now and upgrade later if it becomes a regular thing.

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This is a frustrating aspect of the tax code that catches many casual gamblers off guard. You're absolutely correct in your understanding - with the standard deduction, you'd report the $120 in winnings as income but couldn't deduct your $120 in losses, effectively creating a tax liability on money you didn't actually profit from. One thing to consider is keeping meticulous records of all your gambling activity, even small amounts. While it won't help with the standard deduction issue, having detailed documentation becomes crucial if you ever scale up your gambling or if your other potential itemized deductions change in future years. Also worth noting that some states have different rules for gambling income and losses, so you might face this issue at both federal and state levels. The math really does work against casual gamblers who take the standard deduction, which is why many tax professionals recommend either going big enough to justify itemizing or staying small enough that the tax impact is minimal.

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This is exactly why I've been hesitant to try sports betting even though my friends keep encouraging me to join them. The tax implications seem so unfavorable for casual players like me who would definitely be taking the standard deduction. Is there a minimum threshold where this starts to make sense? Like if I only bet $20-30 total for the whole year, would the tax impact be negligible enough that it's not worth worrying about, or should I just avoid gambling entirely until my financial situation changes and I might be itemizing deductions? I'm in the 12% tax bracket, so even small amounts could add up to real money over time if I'm not careful.

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@Sofia Gutierrez In your situation with the 12% tax bracket, even small gambling amounts can create a tax burden. If you won $30 in a year, you d'owe about $3.60 in federal taxes on those winnings "even" if you broke even overall. For very small amounts like $20-30 total bets per year, the actual tax impact might be minimal enough that some people don t'stress about it. However, you re'right to think carefully about this - if you enjoy it and start betting more over time, those tax obligations can add up quickly. One approach might be to set a strict annual limit that you re'comfortable paying taxes on like (deciding you re'okay with owing an extra $10-15 in taxes per year on gambling ,)and never exceed that amount. That way you can participate socially with your friends while keeping the financial impact predictable and small.

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I work in tax preparation and see this exact scenario constantly during filing season. You've correctly identified one of the most frustrating aspects of gambling taxation for recreational players. Here's what many people don't realize: the IRS considers each gambling session separately for reporting purposes. So even though you broke even overall, you technically had $120 in "winnings" that must be reported as income. The $120 you lost is treated as a separate matter entirely. For future reference, if you continue sports betting, consider tracking each individual bet and its outcome meticulously. This documentation won't help you with the standard deduction issue, but it's essential for accuracy and audit protection. Many of my clients use simple spreadsheets with columns for date, bet amount, outcome, and net result. The unfortunate reality is that the tax code does heavily favor professional gamblers who can deduct losses as business expenses, while recreational players taking the standard deduction get stuck in exactly the situation you described. It's a policy quirk that effectively penalizes casual gambling participation.

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This is really helpful information from a professional perspective! I'm curious about something you mentioned - tracking each individual bet separately. Does the IRS actually expect people to report gambling winnings on a per-session basis, or can you aggregate your total winnings for the year? Also, when you say "policy quirk that effectively penalizes casual gambling," have you noticed if this discourages your clients from participating in sports betting, or do most people just accept the tax burden as part of the cost of entertainment? I'm trying to decide if this is a widespread issue that affects a lot of casual bettors or if I'm overthinking the financial impact.

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@FireflyDreams Great questions! For reporting purposes, you aggregate your total gambling winnings for the year on your tax return - you don't need to list each individual session. However, the detailed record-keeping I mentioned is crucial for your own documentation and audit protection, not for the actual filing process. Regarding the impact on my clients - it's definitely a widespread issue that catches people off guard. I'd say about 60% of clients who discover this reality do reduce their gambling activity significantly, especially those in higher tax brackets. The other 40% either adjust their expectations (treating the tax burden as part of their entertainment budget) or start tracking whether they might benefit from itemizing in future years. What surprises most people is the math - someone in the 22% bracket who breaks even on $1,000 in gambling essentially pays a $220 "entertainment tax" for the privilege of gambling. When I show clients this calculation, many decide the risk-reward ratio doesn't work for them anymore. You're definitely not overthinking it - this is a significant financial consideration that more recreational gamblers should understand upfront.

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