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Not trying to stress anyone out or anything ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ BUT for those of us PATH Act filers with 04 cycle code, what day next week do we possibly need to check our transcripts for potential deposit dates? This tax season seems somewhat different from previous years, and the waiting process has been, I would say, rather challenging. Any insights from those who've been tracking these patterns would be greatly appreciated!
I've been seriously considering enrolling in the University of Alabama's online Masters of Taxation program. The school has a solid reputation, and I've always had a strong interest in tax law and regulations. Taxes just click for me in a way other subjects never have. My concern is whether an online degree might be viewed as less legitimate by potential employers or clients compared to an in-person program. I know online education has become more accepted, especially post-pandemic, but tax is such a specialized field that I'm worried about how it might be perceived. Has anyone gone through an online Masters of Taxation program? Did you feel it was worth the investment of time and money? Did employers or clients care that it was online versus in-person? I'd really appreciate hearing about real experiences before I commit to this path.
What tax software do most online Masters programs teach? I'd hate to spend all that time learning on a platform that isn't widely used in practice.
Most programs I've seen don't focus on specific software but rather on tax concepts and research skills. They might use CCH or RIA for research databases, but the actual tax preparation software varies. My program had optional workshops for UltraTax and ProSeries, but it wasn't part of the core curriculum.
I completed the University of Alabama's online Masters of Taxation program in 2021, so I can give you some direct insight! The program is excellent and highly regarded in the industry. What really impressed me was the quality of the faculty - many are practicing tax professionals who bring real-world experience to their teaching. The online format actually worked well for tax education because so much of tax work involves research and analysis that you do independently anyway. The coursework included comprehensive coverage of individual, corporate, partnership, and estate taxation, plus tax research methodology that I use daily in my current role. Regarding employer perception - I haven't encountered any issues. When I interviewed at firms, they were more interested in my understanding of complex tax concepts and my ability to research and analyze issues than the delivery method of my education. The University of Alabama name carries weight, and the program is AACSB accredited. One thing I'd recommend is taking advantage of any virtual office hours or study groups the program offers. While you miss some in-person networking, the online format allowed me to connect with classmates from across the country, which has actually been valuable for referrals and professional connections. The investment was definitely worth it for me - it opened doors to senior tax positions that weren't available with just my undergraduate degree.
Since I've been able to check my transcripts I've been cycle 05 for the past 5 years for sure. Transcripts update Friday, WMR Saturday. Well this year is different: I filed 01/29 Accepted 01/30 Advance child tax credit deposit 02/01 Transcripts updated to all zeros on 02/02 which was a Tuesday I'm like well I gotta be cycle 05 but of course I didn't update Friday because I already updated on Tuesday. I'm wondering if I'm gonna update tomorrow. They switching things up this year?
Here's what's happening with the IRS update schedule this year: 1. The IRS received funding to modernize their processing systems 2. They're implementing a more distributed processing approach 3. Instead of processing most returns in just a few large batches, they're now processing smaller batches throughout the week 4. Your cycle code (last two digits of the 14-digit number on your transcript) determines your processing group 5. Even if you were cycle 05 before, you might be in a different cycle now 6. Check your 2023 transcript for your current cycle code 7. You need to check WMR and transcripts ASAP as the deposit could come any day now!
I've heard similar explanations before, but I'll believe it when I see consistent improvements. Every year there's some new system or process that's supposed to make things better, yet somehow my refund still takes forever. I appreciate the breakdown though - at least this explains why my usual Friday update pattern isn't working this year.
I'm SO RELIEVED to see someone else experiencing this! ๐ The cycle change threw me for a loop too. I did some digging and found that the IRS has officially implemented their new Enterprise Case Management system this year, which allows for more frequent processing batches. If you check your transcript, look at the full cycle code (should be 14 digits). The 4th and 5th digits represent the year (24 for 2024) and the last two digits are your cycle number. Many people who were traditionally cycle 05 are now seeing 01, 02, or 03 cycles, which explains the different update days. This doesn't necessarily mean faster or slower processing - just different days for updates.
So if my cycle changed from 05 to 02, when should I expect WMR to update now? Still trying to figure out the new pattern tbh
@Chloe Davis From what I ve'observed this year, cycle 02 typically means Tuesday updates for transcripts and Wednesday for WMR. But honestly, with all the system changes, it s'been pretty unpredictable. I d'suggest checking both your transcript and WMR every day until you see movement - the new processing system seems to be running updates more frequently than the old weekly pattern. Some people are seeing updates within 24-48 hours of each other between transcript and WMR now.
I keep getting such conflicting info from everyone about how much money you need to earn before you're legally required to file federal income taxes. Some people are telling me it's as low as $400, others are saying around $12,000, and a few friends insist you have to file regardless of how little you make...?? I worked a bunch of part-time gigs last year, some paid me with 1099s and others just cash. Trying to figure out if I even need to bother filing this year. What's actually the correct answer about the minimum amount? Does it change depending on what type of income you have or your age or something? Really confused and don't want to mess up and get in trouble with the IRS!
Important thing nobody's mentioned - you DEFINITELY need to file if you had ANY federal taxes withheld from your paychecks and want to get that money back!! I made only $7k last year at my part-time job but had about $300 withheld. Filed even though I was under the threshold and got all $300 back as a refund.
Do you get ALL the federal tax back that was withheld if you're under the filing threshold? Or do they still keep some of it?
Yes, you typically get ALL of the federal income tax withheld back if you don't owe any federal income tax! If your income is below the filing threshold and you don't have any other tax obligations, your tax liability is essentially $0, so any federal income tax that was withheld gets refunded to you completely. The only taxes you wouldn't get back are things like Social Security and Medicare taxes (FICA), which are separate from federal income tax and don't get refunded. But the federal income tax portion - which is usually the bigger chunk - comes back 100% if you don't actually owe any income tax.
One thing that might help clear up the confusion - the IRS actually has a free interactive tool called "Do I Need to File a Tax Return?" on their website (irs.gov) that walks you through all these different scenarios step by step. You just answer questions about your age, filing status, income types, and amounts, and it tells you definitively whether you need to file. It covers all the situations people mentioned here - the regular income thresholds, the $400 self-employment rule, dependent status, etc. Since you mentioned having both 1099s and cash income from various gigs, you'll want to add up ALL your self-employment income (including the cash payments) when using the tool. Even if individual gigs paid you less than $400, if the total from all self-employment work exceeds $400, you'll need to file. The tool is free, official, and gets updated each tax season with the current year's thresholds, so you know you're getting accurate info straight from the source!
Hey everyone! I'm currently working under my F-1 OPT and preparing to apply for the STEM OPT extension. I initially came to the US on my F1 visa in January 2020 to pursue my degree. After graduating last year, I started my OPT work and recently switched to a new employer about 6 weeks ago. My new company sent me a form regarding FICA tax exemption for nonresident aliens with F1 visa status. From what I understand, F1 students are exempt from paying social security and Medicare taxes for the first 5 calendar years in the US. Since I first arrived in January 2020 and have been here continuously except for a few short trips home during breaks, I'm trying to figure out when exactly my 5-year FICA exemption would end. Would January 2025 mark the end of my exemption period? Or does the IRS calculate these 5 calendar years differently? The payroll person at my company thinks I'm exempt until January 2025, but I want to make sure I'm not misunderstanding the IRS rules. Also, I was briefly in the US on a B2 tourist visa for about 2 months back in 2018 - would that somehow count toward these 5 years? Thanks for any help you can provide!
I went through this exact same situation two years ago! The confusion around the 5-year rule is so common, especially when you're transitioning between different phases of F1 status like from coursework to OPT to STEM OPT. Just to reinforce what others have said - you're absolutely correct that your exemption runs through December 31, 2024. Since you arrived in January 2020, that counts as your first calendar year, making 2024 your fifth and final year of FICA exemption. One practical tip: when you do lose the exemption starting January 1, 2025, you'll see about 7.65% more taken out of your paycheck (6.2% for Social Security + 1.45% for Medicare). It's a bit of a shock when it first happens, so it's good to budget for that change! Also, make sure to keep good records of your exemption period and any documentation you provide to employers. I had to switch jobs during my OPT period and having all the paperwork organized made the transition much smoother with the new HR department. The good news is that once you start paying into Social Security, you'll eventually be eligible for those benefits if you end up staying in the US long-term or even if you leave and come back later in life.
Yes, the Social Security credits do show up on your statement once you start paying in! I check my Social Security statement online every year (you can create an account at ssa.gov), and you can see exactly how much you've paid in and how many credits you've earned. You need 40 credits total to be eligible for Social Security retirement benefits, and you can earn up to 4 credits per year based on your earnings. So even if you're not sure about staying permanently, those credits don't disappear - they stay with your Social Security number forever. If you do end up leaving the US and coming back later, or even if you retire abroad, you might still be able to collect Social Security benefits depending on your situation and any totalization agreements between the US and your home country. It's actually not a bad deal in the long run, especially considering that your employer matches your contributions, so you're effectively getting a 6.2% bonus toward your retirement savings that you wouldn't have gotten while exempt from FICA. The Medicare taxes you pay also count toward future Medicare eligibility if you end up staying and becoming a permanent resident or citizen later on.
Yes, the Social Security credits definitely show up on your statement! I check mine annually online at ssa.gov, and you can see exactly when your contributions started. Each year you pay FICA taxes, you earn up to 4 Social Security credits (you need $1,640 in covered earnings for each credit in 2023, so $6,560 total for the maximum 4 credits per year). You need 40 credits total (10 years of work) to be eligible for Social Security retirement benefits. The good news is that even if you leave the US and come back later, or eventually become a permanent resident, those credits stay with you forever. I've met people who worked in the US for a few years on H1B, moved back home, then returned decades later and were still able to claim their benefits. There are also totalization agreements with many countries that can help coordinate benefits between the US Social Security system and your home country's system, so the contributions aren't necessarily "lost" even if you don't stay in the US permanently. Definitely worth looking into if you're from a country that has one of those agreements with the US. The 7.65% does sting at first, but knowing it's going toward something you might actually benefit from later makes it feel less like money disappearing into the void!
I'm in a very similar situation and this thread has been incredibly helpful! I arrived on my F1 visa in August 2020, so my 5 calendar years would be 2020-2024, meaning my FICA exemption also ends December 31, 2024. One thing I wanted to add based on my recent experience: if you're having trouble getting your employer to understand the exemption, consider reaching out to your university's international student services office. They often have template letters or official documentation that explains the FICA exemption rules to employers. My school had a great one-page summary that cited all the relevant IRS regulations, which made the conversation with HR much smoother. Also, I'd recommend setting up a mySSA account at ssa.gov now if you haven't already. Once you start paying FICA taxes in 2025, you'll be able to track your Social Security earnings and credits online. It's actually pretty interesting to see how the system works, and it helps you plan for the future whether you end up staying in the US long-term or not. The budgeting aspect is real though - that 7.65% reduction in take-home pay starting in January will definitely be noticeable. I'm already adjusting my 2025 budget to account for it. But hey, at least we'll finally be earning those Social Security credits! Good luck with your STEM OPT application - sounds like you have all the tax stuff figured out correctly.
Thanks for mentioning the university international student services office as a resource! That's such a practical tip that I hadn't thought of. I bet they deal with this exact question all the time and probably have standardized documentation that makes it much easier for employers to understand. Setting up the mySSA account early is also really smart advice. I've been putting that off, but it would be good to have it ready to go before I start paying in. Plus, it'll be interesting to see how the credits accumulate over time, especially since I'm not sure yet whether I'll end up staying in the US permanently or eventually moving back home. The budgeting reality is definitely something I need to start planning for now. 7.65% might not sound like much, but on a typical OPT salary, that's a pretty significant chunk of change each month. Better to start adjusting my spending expectations now rather than getting a shock in January! It's reassuring to know that others in the same timeline are going through this exact same process. Makes me feel more confident that I understand the rules correctly.
Fatima Al-Mazrouei
The IRS transcript system is like a weird fortune-telling machine that only works on specific days of the week depending on your cycle code. For 04 cycle folks, Wednesday is your magic day - it's like the tax version of your horoscope being updated. I've been through this dance for years now, and while everyone focuses on the PATH Act delay ending on Feb 15th, the reality is that the real movement happens the following Wednesday for most PATHERS. Hang in there - the tax rollercoaster is almost over!
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Miguel Silva
Thanks for this thread! I'm also a PATH filer with 04 cycle code and have been anxiously waiting. Based on what everyone's sharing, it sounds like Wednesday morning around 3-6am EST is when I should check my account transcript (not return transcript) for the 846 code. I've been making the mistake of only checking WMR this whole time! Quick question though - if I don't see an update next Wednesday, should I be concerned or is it normal for some 04 cycle filers to take an extra week or two? This whole process is nerve-wracking but you all are making it so much clearer!
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