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What tax year should I enter on Form 1065/8865 for partnership returns? So confused...

I need some help figuring out this Form 8865 for a foreign partnership I'm part of, and I think the same issue applies to Form 1065 for domestic partnerships too. Every single year I get stuck on literally the first line of the form where you have to enter the tax year. Looking at the instructions for Form 8865, it says: **Tax Year** >Enter in the space below the title of Form 8865 the tax year of the foreign partnership that ended with or within the tax year of the person filing this form. Here's my situation: I've filed an extension for my 2024 taxes (filing in 2025), and I'm working on this now. The foreign partnership I'm in has a fiscal year that runs from June 1 to May 31. So what exactly am I supposed to put as the tax year on Form 8865? The partnership's fiscal year that ended in my tax year? Or something else? This seems like it should be simple but it's driving me crazy every year. Does anyone have experience with this who can explain it in plain English?

One thing to keep in mind about partnership years: if you have a foreign partnership with a fiscal year-end that doesn't match up with your tax year, you might have a mismatch between when income is earned and when it's reported. For example, if your foreign partnership's fiscal year ends on May 31, 2024, you're reporting income on your 2024 return that was actually earned between June 1, 2023 and May 31, 2024. Some of that income was from 2023! This is all normal and how it's supposed to work, but it can create planning challenges if the partnership has significant fluctuations in income from year to year.

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That's a really good point I hadn't considered. So even though some of the partnership income was earned in 2023, I'm reporting all of it on my 2024 personal return because the partnership's fiscal year ended within my 2024 tax year? Does this create any issues if I also have to file foreign bank account reports (FBARs) or Form 8938? Do those forms follow the same rules?

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Yes, that's exactly right. All of the partnership income from their complete fiscal year (June 2023-May 2024) goes on your 2024 personal return. That's just how partnership taxation works. For FBARs and Form 8938, those follow different rules. Those forms are based on the calendar year reporting and the maximum value of accounts during that calendar year. So your FBAR and 8938 for 2024 would cover January 1 to December 31, 2024, regardless of any partnership fiscal years.

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Has anyone tried calling the Taxpayer Advocate Service about this instead of the regular IRS number? I've heard they can sometimes help with confusing form issues like this.

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The Taxpayer Advocate Service is really only for when you have an actual tax problem that hasn't been resolved through normal IRS channels. They probably won't help with just form questions unless you've already filed incorrectly and are having issues. Your best bet for form questions is either the regular IRS help line (if you can get through) or a qualified tax professional who specializes in international taxation.

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Why does my tax refund decrease even though I'm making more money and paying more in taxes?

Title: Why does my tax refund decrease even though I'm making more money and paying more in taxes? 1 I'm completely baffled by what happened with my taxes this year. In 2023, I earned about $58k and paid around $9,000 in taxes. My refund that year was pretty decent - about $2,800. Fast forward to 2024, where I got a significant promotion and my income jumped to $112k. I paid WAY more in taxes (approximately $18,500) thinking I'd get a bigger refund. But when I filed, I only got back $1,750 - that's over $1,000 LESS than last year! 😑 I don't understand how this makes any sense. I paid more than twice as much in taxes compared to 2023, but somehow got a smaller refund? Did I mess something up when filing? For context: I'm single, no dependents, and this is all W-2 income. I didn't change anything about my withholdings or deductions between years. Can someone explain what's happening here?

7 Your tax RETURN is the paperwork you file. Your tax REFUND is the money you get back. A lot of people mix these up. When you make more money, you move into higher tax brackets. While your overall withholding went up, it might not have increased at the same rate as your tax liability. The withholding tables that employers use aren't perfect for everyone's situation. You didn't necessarily do anything wrong. This is actually pretty common when people get significant raises. If you want a bigger refund next year, you can adjust your W-4 to have additional amounts withheld from each paycheck.

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22 Thanks for the terminology correction! I always mess that up πŸ€¦β€β™‚οΈ So to get a bigger refund, do I just put a specific dollar amount on line 4(c) of the W-4? Or do I need to change other parts of the form too?

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7 Yes, line 4(c) on the W-4 is exactly where you'd put additional withholding. You can specify an extra amount to be withheld from each paycheck. As for how much to add, a rough calculation would be to decide how much extra refund you want, then divide by the number of pay periods remaining in the year. For example, if you want an extra $1,200 in your refund and get paid twice a month, you might put $50 in line 4(c) ($1,200 Γ· 24 pay periods = $50 per paycheck).

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23 Has anyone else noticed that the standard deduction doesn't seem to keep up with inflation? When my income went up similarly to OP's, I found that deductions and credits didn't scale proportionally. The whole system seems designed to take a bigger percentage as you earn more.

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16 The standard deduction actually does increase with inflation each year. For 2025 it's $14,600 for single filers, up from $14,350 in 2024. The problem is that tax brackets also adjust with inflation, but when you get a big raise that outpaces inflation, you still move into higher brackets regardless. What really doesn't scale well are certain credits and deductions that start to phase out at higher income levels. That could be another factor in why OP's refund was smaller despite paying more tax.

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LLC business expense: How to handle 2023 purchase exchanged for different item in 2024?

So at the end of last year I made a $3,250 purchase for my single-member LLC, but it turned out to be the wrong item. I didn't realize this until early 2024 when I finally opened everything and had to exchange it for the correct variant which cost $2,950 instead. I'm trying to figure out the right way to handle this for my taxes. Do I expense the $3,250 in 2023 since that's when I actually made the purchase? Or should I report the $3,250 as additional income for 2023 and then expense the $2,950 in 2024 when I got the correct item? My accountant is on vacation and I need to finish this up soon. Any guidance would be super appreciated as I'm trying to stay compliant but also want to make sure I'm taking the right deductions at the right time.

What if the exchange happens in a different tax year but the value is exactly the same? I ordered something in Nov 2023 for $1500, exchanged it for a different model in Jan 2024 that also cost $1500. Do I still only expense it in 2024?

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Yes, you would still expense it in 2024. The tax year for the deduction is based on when you put the item into service for your business, not when the money was spent. If you never used the original item and returned/exchanged it, then the deduction happens in 2024 when you got and started using the correct item.

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Thanks for clarifying! That makes sense. I was confused because I technically spent the money in 2023, but I see now that what matters is when I actually started using the item in my business operations.

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Actually I think some ppl here are giving wrong info. I'm pretty sure you need to count the refund as income in 2024 and then deduct the new purchase separately. At least that's what my tax guy told me for a similar situation with my LLC.

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That's not correct for a straight exchange. If you got a full refund and then made a separate purchase, maybe, but for an exchange of products it's treated as a single corrected transaction. The IRS doesn't expect you to report a refund as income in most cases - especially when it's just correcting a purchase.

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Is using short term rental property to offset high W2 income actually legit?

I keep seeing all these YouTube videos and blog posts talking about this "amazing tax strategy" but it just seems too good to be true? I feel like they're just trying to get views and sell courses, but I can't figure out what's wrong with their logic. Can someone help me understand if this is actually legit? The strategy they're pushing goes something like this: 1. Have a high W2 income (like $375k+) where you're paying around $115k in federal taxes each year 2. Buy a short term rental property (like Airbnb or VRBO) and qualify as a "material participant" by spending 100+ hours per year managing it 3. Get something called a "cost segregation study" done which supposedly lets you write off a massive amount against your W2 income Is this actually a real thing? What am I missing here? It seems way too easy to just buy a property and suddenly slash my tax bill by tens of thousands. Is the "material participant" thing much harder to qualify for than they make it sound? Or is there something else that makes this not work the way they claim?

As a CPA who's done dozens of these arrangements, here's what those YouTube videos NEVER tell you: 1. Cost segregation accelerates depreciation you would eventually get anyway. You're not creating new deductions, just moving them forward. 2. When you sell the property, all that accelerated depreciation gets "recaptured" at a 25% tax rate. This creates a potentially massive tax bill when you sell unless you do a 1031 exchange. 3. Documentation is EVERYTHING. I've seen clients lose audits because they claimed 100+ hours but couldn't prove it with contemporaneous records. 4. You need to be a "real estate professional" AND materially participate in each property to deduct passive losses against active income. Most W2 folks with demanding jobs fail the first test. These strategies are legitimate but much more nuanced than clickbait videos suggest.

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Question about the real estate professional requirements - I've heard you need 750 hours annually in real estate activities to qualify. If my spouse does property management full-time while I keep my W2 job, does that work for us filing jointly? Or do I personally need to qualify?

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Your spouse can absolutely qualify as the real estate professional while you maintain your W2 job. This is actually the most common arrangement I see with my high-income clients. As long as your spouse spends 750+ hours annually in real estate activities (and more time on real estate than any other employment), their status allows the rental losses to offset your joint income on a married filing jointly return. Just be aware that your spouse needs to be actively involved in day-to-day operations, not just nominally listed as the manager. The IRS looks closely at these arrangements, so documentation of your spouse's time and activities is crucial. Keep calendars, logs, emails, and all evidence of their involvement.

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Has anyone used a short term rental property to offset W2 income and actually gotten through an IRS audit successfully? I'm worried about triggering an audit if I suddenly show huge losses against my $420k salary. Also, anyone used TurboTax to file with this kind of arrangement or do you need a specialized accountant?

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I wouldn't recommend TurboTax for this. My brother tried doing this himself with TurboTax and missed several key forms and elections that would have maximized his deductions. He ended up hiring a real estate tax specialist who amended his return and found an additional $23k in tax savings he'd missed.

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Trying to find tax advantages to marriage when we both earn good income - any benefits I'm missing?

I've been running the numbers and can't seem to find any tax benefits to getting married. My situation: I make $135k and my partner makes $110k. We're planning to buy a house soon and with current interest rates, we'll be paying around $40k in mortgage interest for the first several years. Also thinking about having a baby in 2024 or 2025. Here's what I'm seeing: If we file jointly after marriage, we'd itemize for the mortgage interest, but that's the only real deduction. Our Roth IRA contribution limits would actually be lower than if we stayed single filers. If we do married filing separately, we basically can't contribute to Roth IRAs at all (because of the $10k MAGI limit) and both have to itemize for the interest deduction. If we just stay unmarried, we both keep higher Roth IRA income limits, I could itemize and deduct all (or at least 80%) of the mortgage interest since I'll be making the payments, and my partner could still take the standard deduction. Am I missing some credit or benefit for married couples? I'm also confused about how a child would factor in - how do head of household status and child tax credits work in this scenario? Everyone always says marriage and kids provide tax benefits, but I'm just not seeing it in our situation. What am I overlooking?

One thing nobody's mentioned yet is Social Security benefits. If there's a significant income disparity between you two, marriage can provide substantial benefits later in life. The lower-earning spouse can claim benefits based on the higher-earning spouse's record. Also, estate tax and inheritance issues are much simpler for married couples. If something happens to one of you, a spouse can inherit everything tax-free, while unmarried partners might face substantial taxes depending on your state.

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Does this Social Security benefit apply even if both spouses work their whole careers? I thought that only mattered if one spouse didn't work much or at all.

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Yes, it can still matter even if both work their full careers. Each person gets their own benefit based on their earnings, but they're also entitled to 50% of their spouse's benefit if that amount is higher than their own. So if one person consistently earned more, the lower-earning spouse could potentially get a higher benefit through the spousal benefit. It also matters tremendously for survivor benefits. If one spouse passes away, the surviving spouse can switch to the deceased spouse's full benefit amount if it's higher than their own. Unmarried partners don't have access to this option regardless of how long they've been together.

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Having been through this myself, you're missing a critical view of the long game. Your immediate tax hit might be negative, but consider: 1) Health insurance and beneficiary status on retirement accounts is much simpler married 2) One massive advantage: unlimited gift/estate tax exemption between spouses 3) Legal protections if one of you becomes ill or incapacitated 4) With kids, certain education credits phase out at lower incomes for single filers My spouse and I calculated about a $1,800 marriage penalty annually at first, but when my income dropped after having our second child, we actually benefited from filing jointly. Life changes, and being married gives you more flexibility as your situation evolves.

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This is really helpful. Question though: for education credits, do both parents' incomes count anyway if they both claim the child as a dependent in alternating years (even if unmarried)? Or does it only look at the income of whoever claims the child that year?

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